Dispute over costs of clearing up flytipping

THE agency responsible for managing Somerset's waste has played down figures released by Defra estimating the cost of clearing up flytipping in the county.

Somerset Waste Partnership has said the true cost of the problem, based on figures supplied by the five district councils up to the end of March 2012, is more in the region of £150,000, rather than the £303,616 quoted by Defra last month.

Defra's estimates are based on national averages but SWP's research shows Somerset's councils have been able to do the job for significantly less.

They also take into account the £48,000 paid back to district councils by Somerset County Council to cover a predicted rise in flytipping after charges were applied at recycling sites in an effort to save £1.9million a year.

Cllr Derek Yeomans, chairman of the Somerset Waste Board, which is made up of members of each of Somerset's six councils, said: “With fly-tipping levels across the county falling in 2012/13 - as we predicted - we expect the bill to be even lower for the current year.

“Most critically, Somerset County Council has worked together with the district councils to ensure they do not have to pick up the financial burden of the savings it reluctantly made and to jointly tackle the criminal and anti-social behaviour that lies behind flytipping.”

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10:56am Sat 29 Dec 12

Mike Rigby says...

What nonsense from Derek Yeomans! It's no good saying that the County Council has acted to protect the District Councils from the added cost of increased flytypping by giving them more money. It is ALL public money. Flytipping in Taunton Deane increased by 65% as soon as the tip closures and charges were introduced. It remains at these elevated levels. There is no reduction. More flytipping, more cost, more environmental damage. Thanks very much Cllr Yeomans.
What nonsense from Derek Yeomans! It's no good saying that the County Council has acted to protect the District Councils from the added cost of increased flytypping by giving them more money. It is ALL public money. Flytipping in Taunton Deane increased by 65% as soon as the tip closures and charges were introduced. It remains at these elevated levels. There is no reduction. More flytipping, more cost, more environmental damage. Thanks very much Cllr Yeomans. Mike Rigby
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11:43am Sat 29 Dec 12

Amused&Bemused says...

100% agree Mike its all our money, but its so easy to spend when its not yours. In our house its known as OPM other peoples money!!!!
100% agree Mike its all our money, but its so easy to spend when its not yours. In our house its known as OPM other peoples money!!!! Amused&Bemused
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12:55pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Paul762 says...

Totally agree.
First there were lies, then damned lies, then statistics. As per usual with statistics, they can be manipulated to look good even when they are bad. This is a case of swapping budgets which hides the real cost.
YES - costs of running the waste disposal sites will have improved with the reduced hours and charging in some cases. But at the same time, another budget that is using OUR rate payers money, has increased enormously, due to the cost of clearing up fly tipping etc.
Totally agree. First there were lies, then damned lies, then statistics. As per usual with statistics, they can be manipulated to look good even when they are bad. This is a case of swapping budgets which hides the real cost. YES - costs of running the waste disposal sites will have improved with the reduced hours and charging in some cases. But at the same time, another budget that is using OUR rate payers money, has increased enormously, due to the cost of clearing up fly tipping etc. Paul762
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1:54pm Sat 29 Dec 12

FreeSpeech? says...

Well I'm not surprised about their underhanded ways of hiding the real cost to the taxpayers as the old saying goes"bulls**t baffles".
Well I'm not surprised about their underhanded ways of hiding the real cost to the taxpayers as the old saying goes"bulls**t baffles". FreeSpeech?
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1:54pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Dick Turpin Works For Council says...

The increase in flytipping, when some goon decided it would be a good idea to close council tips at certain times, was of course entirely predictable.

However, there are some people that won't even drive to the tip when it's open.
Scumbags are scumbags are scumbags. Always.

This one is really easy, except that our "elected representatives" as some people call them are too chicken. Divide the exact cost of clearing up the mess by the number of offenders e.g. £500,000/500 convicted offenders=£1000 each.
While we're about it, lets increase our vigilance to ensure more convictions.

Easy really, surprised that no councillor has thought of it!
The increase in flytipping, when some goon decided it would be a good idea to close council tips at certain times, was of course entirely predictable. However, there are some people that won't even drive to the tip when it's open. Scumbags are scumbags are scumbags. Always. This one is really easy, except that our "elected representatives" as some people call them are too chicken. Divide the exact cost of clearing up the mess by the number of offenders e.g. £500,000/500 convicted offenders=£1000 each. While we're about it, lets increase our vigilance to ensure more convictions. Easy really, surprised that no councillor has thought of it! Dick Turpin Works For Council
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4:13pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Son of Dredgewater says...

Do these figures include the costs when the fly-tipping is on private land? I think not, only what the council is responsible for. It is difficult to prosecute and, when successful, the punishment is pathetic.
Do these figures include the costs when the fly-tipping is on private land? I think not, only what the council is responsible for. It is difficult to prosecute and, when successful, the punishment is pathetic. Son of Dredgewater
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10:07pm Sat 29 Dec 12

souwesterly says...

Quote - "Derek Yeomans....."With fly-tipping levels across the county falling in 2012/13....."
Falling! Where the heck did he get that idea?
Ah - yes - that's the amount of fly-tipping that they bother to clear up that's falling. It obviously does not include all the many piles of rubble and rubbish that they conveniently can't be bothered to deal with; often dumped on private land or in out-of-the-way places.
And are they really....."jointly tackling the criminal and anti-social behaviour...."?
How many court cases have there been in recent months?
And regardless of the figures - how many prosecutions should there have been?
Anyone need a good massage? These guys must be experts....
Quote - "Derek Yeomans....."With fly-tipping levels across the county falling in 2012/13....." Falling! Where the heck did he get that idea? Ah - yes - that's the amount of fly-tipping that they bother to clear up that's falling. It obviously does not include all the many piles of rubble and rubbish that they conveniently can't be bothered to deal with; often dumped on private land or in out-of-the-way places. And are they really....."jointly tackling the criminal and anti-social behaviour...."? How many court cases have there been in recent months? And regardless of the figures - how many prosecutions should there have been? Anyone need a good massage? These guys must be experts.... souwesterly
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12:02pm Mon 31 Dec 12

FreeSpeech? says...

Everyone needs to be careful what comments are placed on these stories as some of the most commented articles are being removed prematurely, either because some over sensitive souls wish to stifle fair comment or due to over zealous vetting.
Please SCG if you do not wish reasoned comment and argument then don't bother having a comment section and ignore the ignorant, biased moaners.
Everyone needs to be careful what comments are placed on these stories as some of the most commented articles are being removed prematurely, either because some over sensitive souls wish to stifle fair comment or due to over zealous vetting. Please SCG if you do not wish reasoned comment and argument then don't bother having a comment section and ignore the ignorant, biased moaners. FreeSpeech?
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3:25pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Monument says...

SCG

Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants.
SCG Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants. Monument
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3:36pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Dick Turpin Works For Council says...

Monument wrote:
SCG

Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants.
Am I missing something, Monument?

I've re-read all the comments posted on this article and can't find a single racist or potentially illegal rant.

Would you care to elaborate?
[quote][p][bold]Monument[/bold] wrote: SCG Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants.[/p][/quote]Am I missing something, Monument? I've re-read all the comments posted on this article and can't find a single racist or potentially illegal rant. Would you care to elaborate? Dick Turpin Works For Council
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3:46pm Mon 31 Dec 12

FreeSpeech? says...

Monument is ranting on about comments made on another article concerning unregulated immigration and believes anyone who dares air such views are both racist and xenophobic, which must mean he is both ignorant and stupid.
Must mean UKIP are all racists and xenophobes.
Monument is ranting on about comments made on another article concerning unregulated immigration and believes anyone who dares air such views are both racist and xenophobic, which must mean he is both ignorant and stupid. Must mean UKIP are all racists and xenophobes. FreeSpeech?
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3:58pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Monument says...

Dick Turpin

I think you can now see where the issue lies.

Unfortunately some think that freespeech means you can say anything you like and whose only retort is abuse. They do not realise that comments made can be libelous or criminal and as a result SCG have to delete the comments or lock a story preventing further comment.

More and more comment threads are being hijacked by those whose only purpose in life seems to be to abuse others and pick pointless arguements. It would not surprise me in the least if the comments facility at SCG is discontinued if it continues.

Stronger, more timely moderation is urgently required.
Dick Turpin I think you can now see where the issue lies. Unfortunately some think that freespeech means you can say anything you like and whose only retort is abuse. They do not realise that comments made can be libelous or criminal and as a result SCG have to delete the comments or lock a story preventing further comment. More and more comment threads are being hijacked by those whose only purpose in life seems to be to abuse others and pick pointless arguements. It would not surprise me in the least if the comments facility at SCG is discontinued if it continues. Stronger, more timely moderation is urgently required. Monument
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4:09pm Mon 31 Dec 12

FreeSpeech? says...

Monument wrote:
Dick Turpin

I think you can now see where the issue lies.

Unfortunately some think that freespeech means you can say anything you like and whose only retort is abuse. They do not realise that comments made can be libelous or criminal and as a result SCG have to delete the comments or lock a story preventing further comment.

More and more comment threads are being hijacked by those whose only purpose in life seems to be to abuse others and pick pointless arguements. It would not surprise me in the least if the comments facility at SCG is discontinued if it continues.

Stronger, more timely moderation is urgently required.
Roughly translated he means lets resort to dictatorship and censorship to remove anything he disagrees with, which makes him a bit of a fascist really. Of course wrongly calling someone a racist wouldn't be construed as abusive or libellous would it so sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
[quote][p][bold]Monument[/bold] wrote: Dick Turpin I think you can now see where the issue lies. Unfortunately some think that freespeech means you can say anything you like and whose only retort is abuse. They do not realise that comments made can be libelous or criminal and as a result SCG have to delete the comments or lock a story preventing further comment. More and more comment threads are being hijacked by those whose only purpose in life seems to be to abuse others and pick pointless arguements. It would not surprise me in the least if the comments facility at SCG is discontinued if it continues. Stronger, more timely moderation is urgently required.[/p][/quote]Roughly translated he means lets resort to dictatorship and censorship to remove anything he disagrees with, which makes him a bit of a fascist really. Of course wrongly calling someone a racist wouldn't be construed as abusive or libellous would it so sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. FreeSpeech?
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4:37pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Dick Turpin Works For Council says...

On a point of order, boys and girls, this was an article about flytipping.
Monument: your views about someone's opinion on another topic are of no relevance to flytipping.
FreeSpeech?: you've probably lost the argument (and any credibility) the moment you call another contributor "a bit of a fascist"
On a point of order, boys and girls, this was an article about flytipping. Monument: your views about someone's opinion on another topic are of no relevance to flytipping. FreeSpeech?: you've probably lost the argument (and any credibility) the moment you call another contributor "a bit of a fascist" Dick Turpin Works For Council
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6:08pm Mon 31 Dec 12

FreeSpeech? says...

The word fascist is intended to mean "oppressive", "intolerant", "dictatorial", "racist", or "aggressive" sounds about right to me, how else would you describe attempting to prevent peoples freedom of speech?
The word fascist is intended to mean "oppressive", "intolerant", "dictatorial", "racist", or "aggressive" sounds about right to me, how else would you describe attempting to prevent peoples freedom of speech? FreeSpeech?
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6:11pm Mon 31 Dec 12

souwesterly says...

Monument wrote:
SCG

Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants.
What are you on?
Surely if I want to criticise someone then this is the place to do so. It's a free forum, isn't it?
Ok - if the SCG opt to remove our comments then that's for their own editors or moderators to decide.
But for you to hijack this thread and to refer to something that I personally, know nothing about, is the equivalent of an illegal rant.
[quote][p][bold]Monument[/bold] wrote: SCG Please can you be more aware of overtly racist comment and act more swiftly to remove these offensive and potentially illegal rants.[/p][/quote]What are you on? Surely if I want to criticise someone then this is the place to do so. It's a free forum, isn't it? Ok - if the SCG opt to remove our comments then that's for their own editors or moderators to decide. But for you to hijack this thread and to refer to something that I personally, know nothing about, is the equivalent of an illegal rant. souwesterly
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7:07pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Monument says...

Souwesterly

My entry was not random it was making comment on the entry before mine.
Souwesterly My entry was not random it was making comment on the entry before mine. Monument
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7:11pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Dick Turpin Works For Council says...

Yawn!
Times two
Yawn! Times two Dick Turpin Works For Council
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9:25pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Mike Rigby says...

That's a very good point you make, Son of Dredgewater and Souwesterly. These figures apply only to clearing up flytipping on public land and will not include the cost of clearing flytipping from private land, which must be borne by the landowner. The figures also take no account of the fact that people are now putting their hardcore in the wheelie bins to avoid the tip charges. Wheelie bin waste costs our Councils £100 per tonne whereas hardcore taken to the tips cost just £27 per tonne. #FalseEconomy
That's a very good point you make, Son of Dredgewater and Souwesterly. These figures apply only to clearing up flytipping on public land and will not include the cost of clearing flytipping from private land, which must be borne by the landowner. The figures also take no account of the fact that people are now putting their hardcore in the wheelie bins to avoid the tip charges. Wheelie bin waste costs our Councils £100 per tonne whereas hardcore taken to the tips cost just £27 per tonne. #FalseEconomy Mike Rigby
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2:35pm Wed 2 Jan 13

FreeSpeech? says...

Everyone seems to be in such a hurry to scream 'racism' these days.

A customer asked, "In what aisle could I find the Irish sausage?"

The assistant asks, "Are you Irish?"

The guy, clearly offended, says, "Yes I am. But let me ask you something. If I had asked for Italian sausage,

would you ask me if I was Italian?

Or if I had asked for German Bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German?

Or if I asked for a kosher hot dog would you ask me if I was Jewish?

Or if I had asked for a Taco, would you ask if I was Mexican?

Or if I asked for Polish sausage, would you ask if I was Polish?"

The assistant says, "No, I probably wouldn't."

The guy says, "Well then, just because I asked for Irish sausage, why did you ask me if I'm Irish?"

The assistant replied, "Because you're in Halfords."
Everyone seems to be in such a hurry to scream 'racism' these days. A customer asked, "In what aisle could I find the Irish sausage?" The assistant asks, "Are you Irish?" The guy, clearly offended, says, "Yes I am. But let me ask you something. If I had asked for Italian sausage, would you ask me if I was Italian? Or if I had asked for German Bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German? Or if I asked for a kosher hot dog would you ask me if I was Jewish? Or if I had asked for a Taco, would you ask if I was Mexican? Or if I asked for Polish sausage, would you ask if I was Polish?" The assistant says, "No, I probably wouldn't." The guy says, "Well then, just because I asked for Irish sausage, why did you ask me if I'm Irish?" The assistant replied, "Because you're in Halfords." FreeSpeech?
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8:59pm Wed 2 Jan 13

FreeSpeech? says...

Yet again freespeech has been stifled by the minority of the ignorant!
Yet again freespeech has been stifled by the minority of the ignorant! FreeSpeech?
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1:31pm Thu 3 Jan 13

jimee says...

is this somethink to do with that munt mp who was spouting off about the cost of tipping in parliament. shes not all there with numbers and shouldnt talk anyway she didnt even pay her council tax ontime before.
is this somethink to do with that munt mp who was spouting off about the cost of tipping in parliament. shes not all there with numbers and shouldnt talk anyway she didnt even pay her council tax ontime before. jimee
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