Sport England objects to Northgate Tesco plan

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A SPORT promotion body has objected to controversial plans to build a 24-hour Tesco store on land at Northgate in Bridgwater.

Sport England and its sister body the FA both objected to the application on the grounds that it would mean a loss of a portion of the Brewery Field, which acts as a community recreation area.

In its objection response to Sedgemoor District Council, Sport England said: “The site is used informally by the local community for recreational play.

“Sport England objects to the proposal because it is not considered to accord with any of the exceptions in Sport England’s playing fields policy and Government Policy as set out in the NPPF.”

It states that existing sports and recreational land, including playing fields, should not be built on unless an assessment shows the land to be more than what is needed, the loss would be replaced by an equivalent or better provision in a suitable location or the development is for alternative recreational provision.

The response also states that the FA would object to the loss of the site and would welcome the opportunity to look at options to mitigate it.

It adds: “There is an issue of number, access and quality of pitches in Bridgwater.”

Sport England and the FA are keen to explore with Tesco the possibility of reinstating a football pitch on the site, including toilets and changing rooms.

But Tesco says only 11% of Brewery Field would be developed, and its plans include a new children’s play area, seating areas, public art and footpaths.

It adds: “While this space is of acknowledged importance to the residents of Bridgwater, it is currently of low quality and is under-utilised.

"It is considered that the proposals will result in a significantly enhanced area of public open space with improved facilities for all sectors of the community.”

Consultation for the plans, which closed last Wednesday (November 28), received 81 letters from interested parties.

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8:56am Wed 5 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

So Sport England & FA, are putting in an objection, no surprise there! I'm sure that they have been lobbied by Bridgwater( Backward) Forward Group. Sport England's concern is welcome, it will see that the Tesco proposal takes only 11% of Brewery Field into the New Developement on Northgate, whilst mitigating this by improving the Brewery field facilities for the users, it was only a little while ago that it was reported that there was anti social complaints from residents adjoining the Brewery Field, with the Police being called on occasion. This site is not a recognised Football Pitch, because of its small dimensions, not even marked out for 5 aside football. It is a play Park, like others in Bridgwater, on Bower, Alderney Rd etc. So why has the FA stepped in with Comments. I cannot recall a similar response with regard to Sports and Social Club ( Cellophane Club from Sport England or FA. With the EDF plan to build on the 2 Full size Football pitches, replacing with 2 x5 aside football pitches, smells of double standards to me!
Regards Blue-Owl
So Sport England & FA, are putting in an objection, no surprise there! I'm sure that they have been lobbied by Bridgwater( Backward) Forward Group. Sport England's concern is welcome, it will see that the Tesco proposal takes only 11% of Brewery Field into the New Developement on Northgate, whilst mitigating this by improving the Brewery field facilities for the users, it was only a little while ago that it was reported that there was anti social complaints from residents adjoining the Brewery Field, with the Police being called on occasion. This site is not a recognised Football Pitch, because of its small dimensions, not even marked out for 5 aside football. It is a play Park, like others in Bridgwater, on Bower, Alderney Rd etc. So why has the FA stepped in with Comments. I cannot recall a similar response with regard to Sports and Social Club ( Cellophane Club from Sport England or FA. With the EDF plan to build on the 2 Full size Football pitches, replacing with 2 x5 aside football pitches, smells of double standards to me! Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

10:30am Wed 5 Dec 12

twinkles says...

I wholeheatedly agree with Blue Owl - this is a case of someone sticking their nose in when they think they have an audience.
I wholeheatedly agree with Blue Owl - this is a case of someone sticking their nose in when they think they have an audience. twinkles

10:31am Wed 5 Dec 12

RustyKnight says...

I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field!

Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants.
I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field! Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants. RustyKnight

11:12am Wed 5 Dec 12

cidreman says...

Can anyone remember the last time the grassed area was used for Football matches ..or Cricket or any other sports
The Changing rooms were vandalised , and then they were removed ...
Maybe this Green area should become a BMX & Skatepark ..would everyone agree to that ..Maybe Cllr Smedley and the Forward Group should pursue that . .
Maybe Tesco would Finance that next to their Supermarket ....
Can anyone remember the last time the grassed area was used for Football matches ..or Cricket or any other sports The Changing rooms were vandalised , and then they were removed ... Maybe this Green area should become a BMX & Skatepark ..would everyone agree to that ..Maybe Cllr Smedley and the Forward Group should pursue that . . Maybe Tesco would Finance that next to their Supermarket .... cidreman

11:24am Wed 5 Dec 12

twinkles says...

I remember when Morrisons used to be a swimming pool. Times change and the requirements of a growing town have demands on space far beyond the history books.

Some foresight is required of the folk of Bridgwater and as far as I can tell the only people who object are either living next to the site, or worried about how long their own car journey will be effected.

Having a big shop in the middle of the town should be top of everyone's wish list, surely.
I remember when Morrisons used to be a swimming pool. Times change and the requirements of a growing town have demands on space far beyond the history books. Some foresight is required of the folk of Bridgwater and as far as I can tell the only people who object are either living next to the site, or worried about how long their own car journey will be effected. Having a big shop in the middle of the town should be top of everyone's wish list, surely. twinkles

12:55pm Wed 5 Dec 12

swjoduk says...

I am sure the local residents would complain if a football pitch was added again. There would be all that noise, bad language, balls hitting homes and coming into the gardens etc etc etc.

Where would all these Saturday and Sunday footballers park too, it would be a nightmare.
I am sure the local residents would complain if a football pitch was added again. There would be all that noise, bad language, balls hitting homes and coming into the gardens etc etc etc. Where would all these Saturday and Sunday footballers park too, it would be a nightmare. swjoduk

12:55pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Anonymous Me says...

RustyKnight wrote:
I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field!

Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants.
Who says that no one wants the Tesco? You might not want it, but there are many, many others who do! (Just refere to other posts & stories on this site)
And IF you are correct, then it won't stay open for long if they have zero trade, let the public decide by putting their money where they choose, it's not for your or me to generalise in one statement what the people of Bridgwater want.
[quote][p][bold]RustyKnight[/bold] wrote: I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field! Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants.[/p][/quote]Who says that no one wants the Tesco? You might not want it, but there are many, many others who do! (Just refere to other posts & stories on this site) And IF you are correct, then it won't stay open for long if they have zero trade, let the public decide by putting their money where they choose, it's not for your or me to generalise in one statement what the people of Bridgwater want. Anonymous Me

2:19pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Anonymous Me wrote:
RustyKnight wrote:
I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field!

Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants.
Who says that no one wants the Tesco? You might not want it, but there are many, many others who do! (Just refere to other posts & stories on this site)
And IF you are correct, then it won't stay open for long if they have zero trade, let the public decide by putting their money where they choose, it's not for your or me to generalise in one statement what the people of Bridgwater want.
So Rustyknight.
This is what this whole Anti- Tesco Debate is about, those who do not wish to shop in the Store, if and when Planning Consent is Passed. then Don't, it is your choice. BUT PLEASE DO NOT PRETEND TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THOSE OF US WHOM YOU & Bridgwater (Backward ) Forward Group, supported by Cllr Smedley, and the other Labour Cllr's that have been quoted in the Mercury.
In reply to the Brewery Field having a possible site as a " Skate Park " Location, this was dismissed , as being to close to the houses, noise, young people congregating, surprise shock , horror, children making noise!, Shush!
So, Big Bad SDC, worked with the skateboard & Bmx Bikers, resolved what could be achieved two Skate Parks, one in Cranleigh Gardens and the other in Victoria.This is a start until a preferred Site, on land adjoining the rear of Lidl's and Bristol Rd, the land has to be de- contaminated from being a former Cellophane landfill site, test drilling has not identified any toxic substances that cannot be removed or capped over. So well Done SDC, I am pleased to say I was part of this decision making at the time.
Thereon : SEDGEMOOR FORWARD ACTING COUNCIL.
Regards Blue -Owl
[quote][p][bold]Anonymous Me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RustyKnight[/bold] wrote: I know there used to be a full sized football pitch at the Brewery Field! Anything that stops Tesco is a good thing, they way they are going we will overrun with ugly supermarkets that no one wants.[/p][/quote]Who says that no one wants the Tesco? You might not want it, but there are many, many others who do! (Just refere to other posts & stories on this site) And IF you are correct, then it won't stay open for long if they have zero trade, let the public decide by putting their money where they choose, it's not for your or me to generalise in one statement what the people of Bridgwater want.[/p][/quote]So Rustyknight. This is what this whole Anti- Tesco Debate is about, those who do not wish to shop in the Store, if and when Planning Consent is Passed. then Don't, it is your choice. BUT PLEASE DO NOT PRETEND TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THOSE OF US WHOM YOU & Bridgwater (Backward ) Forward Group, supported by Cllr Smedley, and the other Labour Cllr's that have been quoted in the Mercury. In reply to the Brewery Field having a possible site as a " Skate Park " Location, this was dismissed , as being to close to the houses, noise, young people congregating, surprise shock , horror, children making noise!, Shush! So, Big Bad SDC, worked with the skateboard & Bmx Bikers, resolved what could be achieved two Skate Parks, one in Cranleigh Gardens and the other in Victoria.This is a start until a preferred Site, on land adjoining the rear of Lidl's and Bristol Rd, the land has to be de- contaminated from being a former Cellophane landfill site, test drilling has not identified any toxic substances that cannot be removed or capped over. So well Done SDC, I am pleased to say I was part of this decision making at the time. Thereon : SEDGEMOOR FORWARD ACTING COUNCIL. Regards Blue -Owl Blue Owl

4:42pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue Owl, give it a rest, do you have to take over every thread with your CAPITAL LETTERS and mundane remarks.
Your not in a council meeting ( oops! I forgot the public rejected you!) so let the ordinary people of BW debate, rather than you trying to dictate.
Blue Owl, give it a rest, do you have to take over every thread with your CAPITAL LETTERS and mundane remarks. Your not in a council meeting ( oops! I forgot the public rejected you!) so let the ordinary people of BW debate, rather than you trying to dictate. Boring

5:04pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Bridgwater town centre....
Where are the leisure facilities? Where is the legacy for future generations? What can you 'do' in the evenings?
Ah yes, you can go and buy some groceries. That'll pull the tourists in....
Bridgwater town centre.... Where are the leisure facilities? Where is the legacy for future generations? What can you 'do' in the evenings? Ah yes, you can go and buy some groceries. That'll pull the tourists in.... Samej1

6:51pm Wed 5 Dec 12

the voice of common sense says...

Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no.

The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups!
Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no. The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups! the voice of common sense

7:07pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Amused&Bemused says...

Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.
Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple. Amused&Bemused

7:57pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

the voice of common sense wrote:
Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no.

The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups!
Sport England funding, national lottery funding, section 106 agreements with all the massive developments going on.... if these have all been tried and failed then I would concur.

But have they? Doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no. The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups![/p][/quote]Sport England funding, national lottery funding, section 106 agreements with all the massive developments going on.... if these have all been tried and failed then I would concur. But have they? Doubt it. Samej1

8:15pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Amused&Bemused wrote:
Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.
So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws.
I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things.
Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other
leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Amused&Bemused[/bold] wrote: Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.[/p][/quote]So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws. I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things. Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

8:50pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Amused&Bemused wrote:
Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.
So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws.
I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things.
Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other
leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C.
Regards Blue-Owl
Leaving aside the ad-hominems...

I assume if a FOI request goes in to SDC it'll show applications for major funding grants over the past few years?
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amused&Bemused[/bold] wrote: Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.[/p][/quote]So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws. I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things. Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C. Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Leaving aside the ad-hominems... I assume if a FOI request goes in to SDC it'll show applications for major funding grants over the past few years? Samej1

12:17am Thu 6 Dec 12

Amused&Bemused says...

you are trying too hard blue we can all see through you !!!!!!!!! LOL
you are trying too hard blue we can all see through you !!!!!!!!! LOL Amused&Bemused

8:49am Thu 6 Dec 12

awayswing says...

the voice of common sense wrote:
Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no.

The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups!
Without grants loans etc from National Playing Fields Association,Sport England,the FA and other bodies like this it is unlikely that there would be any new playing fields in Bridgwater,or anywhere else in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of the nay sayers are bleating about wanting leisure facilities in place of Tesco, like an ice rink, bowling alley, multiplex cinema etc. Who is going to pay for it? sport england? no. The F.A? no. Bridgwater backwards? no. The only players to provide this sort of facility are the major retailers, not narrow minded pressure groups![/p][/quote]Without grants loans etc from National Playing Fields Association,Sport England,the FA and other bodies like this it is unlikely that there would be any new playing fields in Bridgwater,or anywhere else in the UK. awayswing

9:15am Thu 6 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Samej1 wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
Amused&Bemused wrote:
Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.
So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws.
I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things.
Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other
leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C.
Regards Blue-Owl
Leaving aside the ad-hominems...

I assume if a FOI request goes in to SDC it'll show applications for major funding grants over the past few years?
Do it, Put in a request for in for information, under FOI. I can assure you that every avenue of possibility for funding has and would have been explored by the Officers, looking for ways to Fund Projects, that what an efficiently run Council does.!!
There is no external Big Lottery Funding, Sport England, Big Society funding, no funding outside for Swimming Facilities, unless you were lucky enough to be a City, where new facilities were built for the Olympic Training. We tried, I can assure you, so I do know what I'm Posting, when I give opinions in this Forum. This is why, I put the suggestion that EDF could fund a new Leisure Centre that would then be a legacy for Bridgwater, as they saved themselves £100-£150 Million, by not constructing the Bridgwater-Canningto
n Bypass!
Of course, there was a proposal to help towards the running cost of the New Pool, when completed, but no up front funding to help with build costs, but as sure as eggs are eggs their EDF employees will be using it. I do not know if the money from EDF for this is still on offer, but its easy to find out. Regards Blue-Owl.
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amused&Bemused[/bold] wrote: Blue owl your comments may be the complete opposite to bridgwater backwards but you are just as bad preaching just to try gain votes for some time in the future !!! not all people in bridgwater are stupid enough to listen ! Easy compromise just make the new Tesco 11% smaller simple.[/p][/quote]So I must Shut up, because I hold an opposing Veiw to BBF Group, no I won't , as I am not saying as they do that they represent our veiws. I am merely defusing their Politically Bias Views, and giving Bridgwater Residents the opportunity to Cast or Not their Support for this Northgate Scheme. Sedgemoor and SCC, will be able to Fund from the sale of this Site other things. Or should it sit as a derelict Site, until a Xmas Fairy, Grants A Wish, that a Devleloper in the Leisure Industry will Pop up and inject £15-20 Million for the Joint Site and then spend another £5 Million + to build some thing for Bridgwater Leisure, There is no other leisure interest, it's been out to the wide Public Field, across the Country, There is no Investment in New Leisute Sites, those in place now are generating no income to pay for upkeep and ongoing repairs, join the real world.....As I proposed in a Previous Post, EDF are the ones who could easily have funded a Leisure Centre for their workers and as a legacy to the Town for enduring the workers during the Construction of Hinkley C. Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Leaving aside the ad-hominems... I assume if a FOI request goes in to SDC it'll show applications for major funding grants over the past few years?[/p][/quote]Do it, Put in a request for in for information, under FOI. I can assure you that every avenue of possibility for funding has and would have been explored by the Officers, looking for ways to Fund Projects, that what an efficiently run Council does.!! There is no external Big Lottery Funding, Sport England, Big Society funding, no funding outside for Swimming Facilities, unless you were lucky enough to be a City, where new facilities were built for the Olympic Training. We tried, I can assure you, so I do know what I'm Posting, when I give opinions in this Forum. This is why, I put the suggestion that EDF could fund a new Leisure Centre that would then be a legacy for Bridgwater, as they saved themselves £100-£150 Million, by not constructing the Bridgwater-Canningto n Bypass! Of course, there was a proposal to help towards the running cost of the New Pool, when completed, but no up front funding to help with build costs, but as sure as eggs are eggs their EDF employees will be using it. I do not know if the money from EDF for this is still on offer, but its easy to find out. Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl

9:32am Thu 6 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
Blue Owl, give it a rest, do you have to take over every thread with your CAPITAL LETTERS and mundane remarks.
Your not in a council meeting ( oops! I forgot the public rejected you!) so let the ordinary people of BW debate, rather than you trying to dictate.
If you look, at the 1st Post, it was me who started the debate, followed by another Post who agreed, then other contributors, just because I answer the points levelled directly at my posts, you don't like it because I respond. Well tough, I will oppose the Bridgwater-(BACkward
)Forward Group every time, they try to put in place that which is not good for the Town and our Residents. When they come into the real world and propose sustainable , funded, cost effective, with benefit to Bridgwater, I will give them my support.
I have, opened the door, so BF Group, you put your minds towards how you will Regenerate the Soon to be available Salmon Parade, Eastover Site. Find the financial backers for a scheme, SDC will Back you, if you make serious suggestion, not just your normal negative verbal criticism. There is already a lot of work taking place to regenerate Eastover, with options like demolishing the old Sainbury's site, whimpy/ Indian Restaurant and that block to open up backing on to Asda.
More difficult on the opposite side as the properties are individually owned.
Regards Blue-Owl.
Stimulating good debate, I hope !!!
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: Blue Owl, give it a rest, do you have to take over every thread with your CAPITAL LETTERS and mundane remarks. Your not in a council meeting ( oops! I forgot the public rejected you!) so let the ordinary people of BW debate, rather than you trying to dictate.[/p][/quote]If you look, at the 1st Post, it was me who started the debate, followed by another Post who agreed, then other contributors, just because I answer the points levelled directly at my posts, you don't like it because I respond. Well tough, I will oppose the Bridgwater-(BACkward )Forward Group every time, they try to put in place that which is not good for the Town and our Residents. When they come into the real world and propose sustainable , funded, cost effective, with benefit to Bridgwater, I will give them my support. I have, opened the door, so BF Group, you put your minds towards how you will Regenerate the Soon to be available Salmon Parade, Eastover Site. Find the financial backers for a scheme, SDC will Back you, if you make serious suggestion, not just your normal negative verbal criticism. There is already a lot of work taking place to regenerate Eastover, with options like demolishing the old Sainbury's site, whimpy/ Indian Restaurant and that block to open up backing on to Asda. More difficult on the opposite side as the properties are individually owned. Regards Blue-Owl. Stimulating good debate, I hope !!! Blue Owl

1:22pm Thu 6 Dec 12

MBR Extreme says...

At least Mr blue owl wants things to improve in the town rather than leaving falling apart as it is. As I've said before your lovely green field ( dog toilet) is becoming a no-go area at night, wasn't a woman attacked there last week? .And don't get me started on the boy racers who seem to live in the car park wheel spinning around. Yes lets leave it like that, typical Bridgwater attitude, and as for we need a ice rink, bowling alley change the record please.
At least Mr blue owl wants things to improve in the town rather than leaving falling apart as it is. As I've said before your lovely green field ( dog toilet) is becoming a no-go area at night, wasn't a woman attacked there last week? .And don't get me started on the boy racers who seem to live in the car park wheel spinning around. Yes lets leave it like that, typical Bridgwater attitude, and as for we need a ice rink, bowling alley change the record please. MBR Extreme

2:10pm Thu 6 Dec 12

artful280 says...

MBR Extreme wrote:
At least Mr blue owl wants things to improve in the town rather than leaving falling apart as it is. As I've said before your lovely green field ( dog toilet) is becoming a no-go area at night, wasn't a woman attacked there last week? .And don't get me started on the boy racers who seem to live in the car park wheel spinning around. Yes lets leave it like that, typical Bridgwater attitude, and as for we need a ice rink, bowling alley change the record please.
What a load of rubbish , ` A no-go area ? ` and a woman attacked ! there was someone attacked down piggy lane (which i have walked down many times at all times of the day and night) and by morrissions, and in lots of other places in this town so one example does not make it a no go area. As for the boy racers , I think there were more boy racers in the car park by wickes and mcdonalds last night than i have seen for a long while in the old splash car park.
This town does need lesiure facilities, and im not against a Tescos coming to town, but in a place which is suitable where the access and roads wont clog up, in a place which is not surrounded on 4 sides by residential buildings, which will fit in with the style of the place it is built, which wont take away parking provision for people who want to stay in town for more than 3 hours.
Maybe brewery field isnt being utilised to its full extent at the moment, but it never will be if it doesnt exist.
[quote][p][bold]MBR Extreme[/bold] wrote: At least Mr blue owl wants things to improve in the town rather than leaving falling apart as it is. As I've said before your lovely green field ( dog toilet) is becoming a no-go area at night, wasn't a woman attacked there last week? .And don't get me started on the boy racers who seem to live in the car park wheel spinning around. Yes lets leave it like that, typical Bridgwater attitude, and as for we need a ice rink, bowling alley change the record please.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish , ` A no-go area ? ` and a woman attacked ! there was someone attacked down piggy lane (which i have walked down many times at all times of the day and night) and by morrissions, and in lots of other places in this town so one example does not make it a no go area. As for the boy racers , I think there were more boy racers in the car park by wickes and mcdonalds last night than i have seen for a long while in the old splash car park. This town does need lesiure facilities, and im not against a Tescos coming to town, but in a place which is suitable where the access and roads wont clog up, in a place which is not surrounded on 4 sides by residential buildings, which will fit in with the style of the place it is built, which wont take away parking provision for people who want to stay in town for more than 3 hours. Maybe brewery field isnt being utilised to its full extent at the moment, but it never will be if it doesnt exist. artful280

8:03pm Thu 6 Dec 12

MBR Extreme says...

Typical no go Bridgwater.
Typical no go Bridgwater. MBR Extreme

9:23pm Thu 6 Dec 12

scally666 says...

anyone seen the plans????
because when i had a look most of the field is still there for dogs to poop on and there is stuff for kids to play on.
seems a vast improvement to whats there now to me!!
anyone seen the plans???? because when i had a look most of the field is still there for dogs to poop on and there is stuff for kids to play on. seems a vast improvement to whats there now to me!! scally666

9:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Simple Soul says...

excuse me for joining in but I can only presume the Tesco application has been in the offing for so long now, along with the need for SCC buildings and sites to be sold off that 'what residents want' is actually a theoretical question...
Tescos's may introduce jobs but would kill what is left of the shops in the town centre. recession has seen many high street chains close and there is not a lot left to rush into a new build of retail units.
Perhaps Waitrose is just looking for an opportunity and we can all shout HOUSE for a full supermarket quota.
Kids shout and swear and can be a nuisance but that said all folk are likely to fall into that catogery at some point - just referring to residents not wanting BMX etc. The clue is in park - the place for such activities. Many families use the Brewery Field and it is only looking neglected as SDC will not spend money on something it wants to sell! If there are no ideas to satisfy Blue Owl, why not try a park and ride to our wonderful new pool????
excuse me for joining in but I can only presume the Tesco application has been in the offing for so long now, along with the need for SCC buildings and sites to be sold off that 'what residents want' is actually a theoretical question... Tescos's may introduce jobs but would kill what is left of the shops in the town centre. recession has seen many high street chains close and there is not a lot left to rush into a new build of retail units. Perhaps Waitrose is just looking for an opportunity and we can all shout HOUSE for a full supermarket quota. Kids shout and swear and can be a nuisance but that said all folk are likely to fall into that catogery at some point - just referring to residents not wanting BMX etc. The clue is in park - the place for such activities. Many families use the Brewery Field and it is only looking neglected as SDC will not spend money on something it wants to sell! If there are no ideas to satisfy Blue Owl, why not try a park and ride to our wonderful new pool???? Simple Soul

12:34am Fri 7 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Simple Soul wrote:
excuse me for joining in but I can only presume the Tesco application has been in the offing for so long now, along with the need for SCC buildings and sites to be sold off that 'what residents want' is actually a theoretical question...
Tescos's may introduce jobs but would kill what is left of the shops in the town centre. recession has seen many high street chains close and there is not a lot left to rush into a new build of retail units.
Perhaps Waitrose is just looking for an opportunity and we can all shout HOUSE for a full supermarket quota.
Kids shout and swear and can be a nuisance but that said all folk are likely to fall into that catogery at some point - just referring to residents not wanting BMX etc. The clue is in park - the place for such activities. Many families use the Brewery Field and it is only looking neglected as SDC will not spend money on something it wants to sell! If there are no ideas to satisfy Blue Owl, why not try a park and ride to our wonderful new pool????
You don't need to apologise to join the debate, the more the merrier, at least people are talking and opening up the interest. I just don't understand your logic, when you say Tesco's will kill of the High St. There are no Food / Grocery retailers to my knowledge on our High St, nor are there Electrical Retailers, most of our High St is taken up by Charity Shops , Estate Agency, Betting Offices, Take Aways. So to say having Tesco's on Northgate will destroy our retail shops, well if there was any thing worth buying in the High St I might agree with you.
So don't believe the propaganda which is being spun by BB F Group. They want you to believe they care, they are only casting their Political message, they lost the debate over the Splash, so they want to Win this to try and gain credibility, they do not ' Speak For The Residents of Bridgwater, they are a minority focus Group, who oppose anything that Sedgemoor District Council do to provide sensible expansion and Growth for Bridgwater.
As you heard yesterday in the Autumn Budget Statement, Labour left us with 150 + £ Billion deficit to deal with. So there we are in Sedgemoor bucking the National trend, attracting Business to Bridgwater, because they want to.
I' ve said b4 there are many Town's not far away, like Taunton that would love to have the investment of new companies opening in Bridgwater. Ask yourself, why do we not have shops on our High St selling goods that people want to buy, answer the shops we have are not stocking the Products people want, so they go out of Town to Taunton and Weston. How many times do you here people saying they go to Taunton as there is nothing to buy here, so I welcome a company that encourages shoppers to Our Town, and without a doubt they will. Bridgwater Forward you are out of touch, trying to promote you idiolistic views.
Ragards Blue -Owl
Pro Bridgwater Not Against.
[quote][p][bold]Simple Soul[/bold] wrote: excuse me for joining in but I can only presume the Tesco application has been in the offing for so long now, along with the need for SCC buildings and sites to be sold off that 'what residents want' is actually a theoretical question... Tescos's may introduce jobs but would kill what is left of the shops in the town centre. recession has seen many high street chains close and there is not a lot left to rush into a new build of retail units. Perhaps Waitrose is just looking for an opportunity and we can all shout HOUSE for a full supermarket quota. Kids shout and swear and can be a nuisance but that said all folk are likely to fall into that catogery at some point - just referring to residents not wanting BMX etc. The clue is in park - the place for such activities. Many families use the Brewery Field and it is only looking neglected as SDC will not spend money on something it wants to sell! If there are no ideas to satisfy Blue Owl, why not try a park and ride to our wonderful new pool????[/p][/quote]You don't need to apologise to join the debate, the more the merrier, at least people are talking and opening up the interest. I just don't understand your logic, when you say Tesco's will kill of the High St. There are no Food / Grocery retailers to my knowledge on our High St, nor are there Electrical Retailers, most of our High St is taken up by Charity Shops , Estate Agency, Betting Offices, Take Aways. So to say having Tesco's on Northgate will destroy our retail shops, well if there was any thing worth buying in the High St I might agree with you. So don't believe the propaganda which is being spun by BB F Group. They want you to believe they care, they are only casting their Political message, they lost the debate over the Splash, so they want to Win this to try and gain credibility, they do not ' Speak For The Residents of Bridgwater, they are a minority focus Group, who oppose anything that Sedgemoor District Council do to provide sensible expansion and Growth for Bridgwater. As you heard yesterday in the Autumn Budget Statement, Labour left us with 150 + £ Billion deficit to deal with. So there we are in Sedgemoor bucking the National trend, attracting Business to Bridgwater, because they want to. I' ve said b4 there are many Town's not far away, like Taunton that would love to have the investment of new companies opening in Bridgwater. Ask yourself, why do we not have shops on our High St selling goods that people want to buy, answer the shops we have are not stocking the Products people want, so they go out of Town to Taunton and Weston. How many times do you here people saying they go to Taunton as there is nothing to buy here, so I welcome a company that encourages shoppers to Our Town, and without a doubt they will. Bridgwater Forward you are out of touch, trying to promote you idiolistic views. Ragards Blue -Owl Pro Bridgwater Not Against. Blue Owl

12:47am Fri 7 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town.
Regards Blue-Owl
Fighting for Bridgwater
Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town. Regards Blue-Owl Fighting for Bridgwater Blue Owl

8:10am Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town.
Regards Blue-Owl
Fighting for Bridgwater
Just to round up a few things...

I see a FOI was submitted in 2009 asking for correspondence with EDF... now I understand the Northgate area had been under discussion since 2004 in the council so why, assuming EDF aren't tardy in replying, wait until 2009 before approaching them for leisure funding? (just as splash was about to close) As the FOI request was dated Oct 2009 I see no reply to the EDF request for more information so I'll see what else emerged since then.

Bringing businesses to town is fabulous and it's been a success in the past couple of years but believing this is the wrong site for such a development and to label anyone who objects as 'backwards' is disingenuous.

There is plenty of opinion on each side on the effects of Tesco on the town centre and each side has valid arguments that can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand - in absence of a single issue poll on the subject neither side can claim they speak for everyone (election results only count if the campaign held the development as a marquee policy)

As for Comet closing, this isn't due to local factors, they have failed nationally - interestingly the new Bristol Road store has been granted A1 retail non food use 'to protect the vitality of the town centre'.... read into that what you will on a store positioned well out of easy walking distance of town, and consider what Tesco will stock!!
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town. Regards Blue-Owl Fighting for Bridgwater[/p][/quote]Just to round up a few things... I see a FOI was submitted in 2009 asking for correspondence with EDF... now I understand the Northgate area had been under discussion since 2004 in the council so why, assuming EDF aren't tardy in replying, wait until 2009 before approaching them for leisure funding? (just as splash was about to close) As the FOI request was dated Oct 2009 I see no reply to the EDF request for more information so I'll see what else emerged since then. Bringing businesses to town is fabulous and it's been a success in the past couple of years but believing this is the wrong site for such a development and to label anyone who objects as 'backwards' is disingenuous. There is plenty of opinion on each side on the effects of Tesco on the town centre and each side has valid arguments that can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand - in absence of a single issue poll on the subject neither side can claim they speak for everyone (election results only count if the campaign held the development as a marquee policy) As for Comet closing, this isn't due to local factors, they have failed nationally - interestingly the new Bristol Road store has been granted A1 retail non food use 'to protect the vitality of the town centre'.... read into that what you will on a store positioned well out of easy walking distance of town, and consider what Tesco will stock!! Samej1

9:13am Fri 7 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs.
As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance...
I give you Bridgwater Forward.
Regards Blue-Owl.
same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs. As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance... I give you Bridgwater Forward. Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl

9:26am Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs.
As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance...
I give you Bridgwater Forward.
Regards Blue-Owl.
I'm afraid I have no links, affiliation or contact with Bridgwater Forward nor do I want any - so I can't speak for any of their ideas.

Reading your posts it's hard to differentiate between 'Bridgwater Backwards' comments and those who simply share a concern, so I happily retract that implication - please only mention Bridgwater Forwards in response to those talking about the organisation to save confusion.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs. As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance... I give you Bridgwater Forward. Regards Blue-Owl.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I have no links, affiliation or contact with Bridgwater Forward nor do I want any - so I can't speak for any of their ideas. Reading your posts it's hard to differentiate between 'Bridgwater Backwards' comments and those who simply share a concern, so I happily retract that implication - please only mention Bridgwater Forwards in response to those talking about the organisation to save confusion. Samej1

12:26pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Samej1 wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs.
As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance...
I give you Bridgwater Forward.
Regards Blue-Owl.
I'm afraid I have no links, affiliation or contact with Bridgwater Forward nor do I want any - so I can't speak for any of their ideas.

Reading your posts it's hard to differentiate between 'Bridgwater Backwards' comments and those who simply share a concern, so I happily retract that implication - please only mention Bridgwater Forwards in response to those talking about the organisation to save confusion.
Noted, I try and lighten the serious debate, with my thoughts on BF, hence my ref of Bridgwater ( backward) Forward. They are happy to ref to me as a Tory, instead of a Conservative with opposing viewpoint to theirs, what is good for the Festive Goose is good for the Gander.
Merry Christmas
Blue- Owl
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: same ji I would like to pick up on the point you raise in response to my Posts, I have not said that everyone who objects to the Tesco proposal is as you say have posted to imply that individuals are Backward, of Course they are not. But, the Bridgwater (backward) Forward Politically backed Group, who are Fronted by Cllr Smedley , and the other Labour Cllrs. As a Campaigning Lobby Group, give me one of their Campaign's that have been properly proposed, with alternative idea's, funded and more importantly viable. The Splash debate was a typical example, not thought out,not budgeted , not feasible . It's all very well having a cause, creating a wave, excuse the Pun, if it peters out, as having no credible substance... I give you Bridgwater Forward. Regards Blue-Owl.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I have no links, affiliation or contact with Bridgwater Forward nor do I want any - so I can't speak for any of their ideas. Reading your posts it's hard to differentiate between 'Bridgwater Backwards' comments and those who simply share a concern, so I happily retract that implication - please only mention Bridgwater Forwards in response to those talking about the organisation to save confusion.[/p][/quote]Noted, I try and lighten the serious debate, with my thoughts on BF, hence my ref of Bridgwater ( backward) Forward. They are happy to ref to me as a Tory, instead of a Conservative with opposing viewpoint to theirs, what is good for the Festive Goose is good for the Gander. Merry Christmas Blue- Owl Blue Owl

1:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12

swjoduk says...

Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic?

To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already.

Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24.

Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day.

Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen.

As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco.
Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic? To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already. Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24. Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day. Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen. As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco. swjoduk

1:57pm Fri 7 Dec 12

artful280 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town.
Regards Blue-Owl
Fighting for Bridgwater
From what i remember from the preplanning document that was published actually 23% of the actual green space was going to be taken , i presume in your 11% your saying that the 'hard landscaping' ie concrete pathways between the shops and a few park benches/flower pots makes up for this loss of space.

Im not a member of BF by the way just a member of the public who will have to live a stones throw away from the development and put up with the extra traffic and noise/pollution.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Artful 280 wrote, about Brewery Field not being utilised at present, and that if Tesco's is built it will not exist. 11% is what is being proposed to edge the Tesco's Site , The 89% will still be there for residents to enjoy , with enhanced recreational facilities. So lets look at this scheme in the right context. I don't hear anyone shouting about the fact that we are soon to lose a Major Retailer, Comet Electrical Stores from the Town. Regards Blue-Owl Fighting for Bridgwater[/p][/quote]From what i remember from the preplanning document that was published actually 23% of the actual green space was going to be taken , i presume in your 11% your saying that the 'hard landscaping' ie concrete pathways between the shops and a few park benches/flower pots makes up for this loss of space. Im not a member of BF by the way just a member of the public who will have to live a stones throw away from the development and put up with the extra traffic and noise/pollution. artful280

2:15pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

I have lived around the docks for the last 18 years and have never seen the field used as much as people make out it is. Yes people do mill around and play there but its not used on a regular bassis. It's usually used by foul mouthed teenagers trying to play football.
Yes Tesco would be better built on the North Petherton side of Bridgwater so residents of North Petherton wouldn't have to come in to do their shopping. But then I expect people would still moan then about it.
Only once as a local resident I have been approached about my views about Tesco being built by Bridgwater Foward or whatever they are called. When I replied it will be great to have a walk in larder near us they didn't hang around to listen to my point. They only want to hear the negatives.
I for one will use , if you don't want to then you've got a good choice close by.
I have lived around the docks for the last 18 years and have never seen the field used as much as people make out it is. Yes people do mill around and play there but its not used on a regular bassis. It's usually used by foul mouthed teenagers trying to play football. Yes Tesco would be better built on the North Petherton side of Bridgwater so residents of North Petherton wouldn't have to come in to do their shopping. But then I expect people would still moan then about it. Only once as a local resident I have been approached about my views about Tesco being built by Bridgwater Foward or whatever they are called. When I replied it will be great to have a walk in larder near us they didn't hang around to listen to my point. They only want to hear the negatives. I for one will use , if you don't want to then you've got a good choice close by. ToRusty

2:37pm Fri 7 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

swjoduk wrote:
Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic?

To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already.

Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24.

Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day.

Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen.

As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]swjoduk[/bold] wrote: Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic? To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already. Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24. Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day. Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen. As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco.[/p][/quote]Well said sheldoncooper

3:04pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

sheldoncooper wrote:
swjoduk wrote:
Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic?

To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already.

Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24.

Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day.

Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen.

As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco.
Well said
...although a slight flaw in the argument, you agree traffic is bad already but it's just going to get funnelled into an even tighter area and gridlock Northgate, The Clink, East Quay and more - it's bad enough trying to get to Sainsburys in the run up to Xmas!
[quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swjoduk[/bold] wrote: Anyone know what Bridgwater errr Forwards plans are for this town? Are any realistic? To those that say Tesco will cause traffic chaos and it should be located elsewhere, where exactly? It seems to me that the traffic in Bridgwater is chaos in many many places already. Personally I would like to see Tesco up near J24 but this junction particularly in the summer is over capacity. Plus to get back into Bridgwater you would get caught up in all the Taunton Rd traffic which at rush hour is back to....yep J24. Bristol Road, Bath Road, St Johns St/Westonzoyland Road are no better in rush hour, as are the queues on the BNDR. Basically all rounds into and around Bridgwater are chaos at certain hours of the day. Does that therefore mean there should be no large developments in the town? Most would love a J23 to Cannington bypass and other road improvements but they are not going to happen. As for damaging the high street I agree with Blue Owl, where do you buy all your fruit, veg, meat etc in town and your tvs, stereos, music, white goods etc etc etc. The shops that may suffer are those in Angel Place but most of those have a niche market and sell cheaper products so would probably still attract people looking for that kind of thing rather than lose trade to Tesco.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]...although a slight flaw in the argument, you agree traffic is bad already but it's just going to get funnelled into an even tighter area and gridlock Northgate, The Clink, East Quay and more - it's bad enough trying to get to Sainsburys in the run up to Xmas! Samej1

3:12pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

Would it get busier though, the same ish amount off traffic would be going to the other supermarkets, just means the traffic would spread around the four of them. So I may ease the traffic around the other supermarkets.
Would it get busier though, the same ish amount off traffic would be going to the other supermarkets, just means the traffic would spread around the four of them. So I may ease the traffic around the other supermarkets. ToRusty

3:21pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

ToRusty wrote:
Would it get busier though, the same ish amount off traffic would be going to the other supermarkets, just means the traffic would spread around the four of them. So I may ease the traffic around the other supermarkets.
You could be right... but I still think queues at peak times could roll back far enough to cause problems on the main routes through..
[quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: Would it get busier though, the same ish amount off traffic would be going to the other supermarkets, just means the traffic would spread around the four of them. So I may ease the traffic around the other supermarkets.[/p][/quote]You could be right... but I still think queues at peak times could roll back far enough to cause problems on the main routes through.. Samej1

3:34pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot.
The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot. ToRusty

3:43pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

ToRusty wrote:
The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot.
Oh it's just human nature to moan, wouldn't be the same if everyone agreed!

I don't think any major road upgrades will happen for the next couple of decades - the funding just isn't there, and if someone like EDF isn't prepared to dig into their pockets it'll never happen unless a major change in infrastructure funding comes about (the town I used to live in has waited for a bypass for 30 odd years and it's only just being planned)
[quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot.[/p][/quote]Oh it's just human nature to moan, wouldn't be the same if everyone agreed! I don't think any major road upgrades will happen for the next couple of decades - the funding just isn't there, and if someone like EDF isn't prepared to dig into their pockets it'll never happen unless a major change in infrastructure funding comes about (the town I used to live in has waited for a bypass for 30 odd years and it's only just being planned) Samej1

3:48pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

So ToRusty lives "in and around the docks" and cannot wait for the new Tesco. I do wonder how "in and around" that is? If I lived in Anson Way; Blacklands and Admirals Court the thought of a 24 hour Tesco with all the knock on effects of servicing; vehicle movements together with the clanging of trolleys not forgetting the the nightmarish 15 month construction period for the sake of a "walk in larder" is not a view that I or indeed many others, I would hazard to guess, would hold. But no doubt Blue Owl and his developer friendly, providing its not been built in a tory area, chums will say it's a small price to pay.
So ToRusty lives "in and around the docks" and cannot wait for the new Tesco. I do wonder how "in and around" that is? If I lived in Anson Way; Blacklands and Admirals Court the thought of a 24 hour Tesco with all the knock on effects of servicing; vehicle movements together with the clanging of trolleys not forgetting the the nightmarish 15 month construction period for the sake of a "walk in larder" is not a view that I or indeed many others, I would hazard to guess, would hold. But no doubt Blue Owl and his developer friendly, providing its not been built in a tory area, chums will say it's a small price to pay. Bridgy old Boy

4:05pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

I'm not giving out where I live, but i live very close to it, close enough to be affected by it every day having to drive past it when going up and down Anson way. Yes I will hear it and i will be inconvenienced by it when they are building it, but that will only be for 15 months or so. I had to drive past chilton school when they built it everyday, that didn't cause too much inconvenience.
I would much rather see a supermarket rather than leisure facilities go in there, there will just as much coming and going no matter what they put in there. There is a big bit of land going to waste, somthing has to go in there.
But I do believe that SDC sould be tapping the big company's that want to build in and around the town like Tesco, Safeway, EDF for some money to help pay for a new road infrastructure in the town like they did when sainsburys built the new bridge.
I'm not giving out where I live, but i live very close to it, close enough to be affected by it every day having to drive past it when going up and down Anson way. Yes I will hear it and i will be inconvenienced by it when they are building it, but that will only be for 15 months or so. I had to drive past chilton school when they built it everyday, that didn't cause too much inconvenience. I would much rather see a supermarket rather than leisure facilities go in there, there will just as much coming and going no matter what they put in there. There is a big bit of land going to waste, somthing has to go in there. But I do believe that SDC sould be tapping the big company's that want to build in and around the town like Tesco, Safeway, EDF for some money to help pay for a new road infrastructure in the town like they did when sainsburys built the new bridge. ToRusty

4:08pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons.
But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout.

How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.
Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons. But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout. How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that. ToRusty

6:00pm Fri 7 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ?

I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again,

To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??
If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ? I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again, To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ?? sheldoncooper

6:35pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

Tesco every time. Cos every little helps.
Tesco every time. Cos every little helps. ToRusty

6:45pm Fri 7 Dec 12

MBR Extreme says...

Black ops 2 £35 Tesco. 42 everywhere else.
Black ops 2 £35 Tesco. 42 everywhere else. MBR Extreme

7:01pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

I wouldn't buy it from Tesco - I'd buy it online somewhere, other things (veg, frozen food, cleaning products, cards, and so on) I buy from traders in town.
I wouldn't buy it from Tesco - I'd buy it online somewhere, other things (veg, frozen food, cleaning products, cards, and so on) I buy from traders in town. Samej1

7:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12

ToRusty says...

After my experiences off buying online over the last few days, I would prefer to buy and collect at the same time if possibable. Can't bet the good old fashioned carry it out off he shop.
After my experiences off buying online over the last few days, I would prefer to buy and collect at the same time if possibable. Can't bet the good old fashioned carry it out off he shop. ToRusty

8:59pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Simple Soul says...

I have enjoyed the comments - and although I take on board all the points I remember the fruit and veg sold in small shops, market etc that closed when we became inundated with supermarkets. Yes, I have a choice where to shop and do that. Am I desperate for a large 24 hr supermarket - no! I live at The Docks and Brewery Field is no more full of foul mouthed teenagers than anywhere else from time to time.I don't suppose the people who cause problems are any more likely to move away from the area but possibly mooch around in a well lit car park until all hours. Who knows, my crystal ball does not work. Yes, I would pay a few more pounds to keep an independent shop and no i am not rich. The town is full of mobile phone shops etc because everything else moved out - Tesco's, M&S, D Perkins and plenty more. Its ok to talk about labour but I remember a chap called Ian who knocked on my door looking for votes some time. he asked me if I worked and told me 'well done love' when I said yes.... what a waste of a walk to my door. I don't need congratulating for paying my bills, keeping a roof over my head and worrying about how long that can be managed. my views are made purely on what I see and hear and how that fits for me - so political debate is a little wasted on me, so not bothered if its 'Tory, B/W forward or.superman really... if something is in a mess the blame is to be shared and resolved.. the question will always be how, whatever the political belief.
I have enjoyed the comments - and although I take on board all the points I remember the fruit and veg sold in small shops, market etc that closed when we became inundated with supermarkets. Yes, I have a choice where to shop and do that. Am I desperate for a large 24 hr supermarket - no! I live at The Docks and Brewery Field is no more full of foul mouthed teenagers than anywhere else from time to time.I don't suppose the people who cause problems are any more likely to move away from the area but possibly mooch around in a well lit car park until all hours. Who knows, my crystal ball does not work. Yes, I would pay a few more pounds to keep an independent shop and no i am not rich. The town is full of mobile phone shops etc because everything else moved out - Tesco's, M&S, D Perkins and plenty more. Its ok to talk about labour but I remember a chap called Ian who knocked on my door looking for votes some time. he asked me if I worked and told me 'well done love' when I said yes.... what a waste of a walk to my door. I don't need congratulating for paying my bills, keeping a roof over my head and worrying about how long that can be managed. my views are made purely on what I see and hear and how that fits for me - so political debate is a little wasted on me, so not bothered if its 'Tory, B/W forward or.superman really... if something is in a mess the blame is to be shared and resolved.. the question will always be how, whatever the political belief. Simple Soul

11:43am Sat 8 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Simple Soul wrote:
I have enjoyed the comments - and although I take on board all the points I remember the fruit and veg sold in small shops, market etc that closed when we became inundated with supermarkets. Yes, I have a choice where to shop and do that. Am I desperate for a large 24 hr supermarket - no! I live at The Docks and Brewery Field is no more full of foul mouthed teenagers than anywhere else from time to time.I don't suppose the people who cause problems are any more likely to move away from the area but possibly mooch around in a well lit car park until all hours. Who knows, my crystal ball does not work. Yes, I would pay a few more pounds to keep an independent shop and no i am not rich. The town is full of mobile phone shops etc because everything else moved out - Tesco's, M&S, D Perkins and plenty more. Its ok to talk about labour but I remember a chap called Ian who knocked on my door looking for votes some time. he asked me if I worked and told me 'well done love' when I said yes.... what a waste of a walk to my door. I don't need congratulating for paying my bills, keeping a roof over my head and worrying about how long that can be managed. my views are made purely on what I see and hear and how that fits for me - so political debate is a little wasted on me, so not bothered if its 'Tory, B/W forward or.superman really... if something is in a mess the blame is to be shared and resolved.. the question will always be how, whatever the political belief.
I like your Posting, you look at life through reality, times have changed, thank goodness, not all good, but if every thing could be as we would wish, there would be no problems to resolve, at the end of the day, it comes to financing and paying for it. So, by debating bringing into thr arena Facts,
Then, individuals, can make their own mind up, Politic' s aside, which is difficult for me as a former Cllr, I have resolved to on this Forum Site, breakdown some of the BF Groups stated support 63% No for Tesco's which they Claim, is untrue, or a lie.
Regards Blue-owl
[quote][p][bold]Simple Soul[/bold] wrote: I have enjoyed the comments - and although I take on board all the points I remember the fruit and veg sold in small shops, market etc that closed when we became inundated with supermarkets. Yes, I have a choice where to shop and do that. Am I desperate for a large 24 hr supermarket - no! I live at The Docks and Brewery Field is no more full of foul mouthed teenagers than anywhere else from time to time.I don't suppose the people who cause problems are any more likely to move away from the area but possibly mooch around in a well lit car park until all hours. Who knows, my crystal ball does not work. Yes, I would pay a few more pounds to keep an independent shop and no i am not rich. The town is full of mobile phone shops etc because everything else moved out - Tesco's, M&S, D Perkins and plenty more. Its ok to talk about labour but I remember a chap called Ian who knocked on my door looking for votes some time. he asked me if I worked and told me 'well done love' when I said yes.... what a waste of a walk to my door. I don't need congratulating for paying my bills, keeping a roof over my head and worrying about how long that can be managed. my views are made purely on what I see and hear and how that fits for me - so political debate is a little wasted on me, so not bothered if its 'Tory, B/W forward or.superman really... if something is in a mess the blame is to be shared and resolved.. the question will always be how, whatever the political belief.[/p][/quote]I like your Posting, you look at life through reality, times have changed, thank goodness, not all good, but if every thing could be as we would wish, there would be no problems to resolve, at the end of the day, it comes to financing and paying for it. So, by debating bringing into thr arena Facts, Then, individuals, can make their own mind up, Politic' s aside, which is difficult for me as a former Cllr, I have resolved to on this Forum Site, breakdown some of the BF Groups stated support 63% No for Tesco's which they Claim, is untrue, or a lie. Regards Blue-owl Blue Owl

9:38pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

sheldoncooper wrote:
If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ?

I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again,

To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??
At the end of the day you are right, we all shop around and buy where ever the price is right for us, how many of us have gone in Curry's @ the Clink priced a product, gone next door to Comet, enquired the price, got a better deal, and then gone back to Curry's again to get an even better price, or vis a versa. Tesco' s will be the same, people will shop where they are comfortable. There is very little Brand Retail loyalty, £££££££ Counts
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ? I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again, To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??[/p][/quote]At the end of the day you are right, we all shop around and buy where ever the price is right for us, how many of us have gone in Curry's @ the Clink priced a product, gone next door to Comet, enquired the price, got a better deal, and then gone back to Curry's again to get an even better price, or vis a versa. Tesco' s will be the same, people will shop where they are comfortable. There is very little Brand Retail loyalty, £££££££ Counts Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

10:15pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Samej1 wrote:
ToRusty wrote:
The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot.
Oh it's just human nature to moan, wouldn't be the same if everyone agreed!

I don't think any major road upgrades will happen for the next couple of decades - the funding just isn't there, and if someone like EDF isn't prepared to dig into their pockets it'll never happen unless a major change in infrastructure funding comes about (the town I used to live in has waited for a bypass for 30 odd years and it's only just being planned)
Samej1: I will be 59 just B4 Christmas my large Mother worked in the Town hall in the late 1940's for the old Borough Council, in the Highways Dept, it was almost 60 years ago that the original North And South Ring roads were planned, we thought in the 80/90's they were going to be built around Bridgwater, only to find them scrapped, not even put on hold.....
Then we got the NDR, not an alternative, but rd to nowhere, not a suitable Northen Bypass.
Anyone who has tried to drive around the Town in the last couple of weeks can see what a nightmare it is. Monday evening 5pm Bath Rd to Silver Fish queued back to Horsey Lane. Traffic coming down over Puriton Hill nose to tail both sides from Motorway.
I have supported the need for EDF to build the much needed Bypass, to no avail. I have little faith in EDF / SCC road tinkering plans to ease the oncoming nightmare facing us all on the roads in and around Bridgwater.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: The main routes through the town will always be a problem until they can build a ring road, which we know will never happen and if it does someone will moan about cutting down a tree or two or about not having as much through traffic coming into the town thus taking the business out. We Bridgwater people are a funny bunch off people we like to moan and wine a lot.[/p][/quote]Oh it's just human nature to moan, wouldn't be the same if everyone agreed! I don't think any major road upgrades will happen for the next couple of decades - the funding just isn't there, and if someone like EDF isn't prepared to dig into their pockets it'll never happen unless a major change in infrastructure funding comes about (the town I used to live in has waited for a bypass for 30 odd years and it's only just being planned)[/p][/quote]Samej1: I will be 59 just B4 Christmas my large Mother worked in the Town hall in the late 1940's for the old Borough Council, in the Highways Dept, it was almost 60 years ago that the original North And South Ring roads were planned, we thought in the 80/90's they were going to be built around Bridgwater, only to find them scrapped, not even put on hold..... Then we got the NDR, not an alternative, but rd to nowhere, not a suitable Northen Bypass. Anyone who has tried to drive around the Town in the last couple of weeks can see what a nightmare it is. Monday evening 5pm Bath Rd to Silver Fish queued back to Horsey Lane. Traffic coming down over Puriton Hill nose to tail both sides from Motorway. I have supported the need for EDF to build the much needed Bypass, to no avail. I have little faith in EDF / SCC road tinkering plans to ease the oncoming nightmare facing us all on the roads in and around Bridgwater. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

10:19pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Re the above post, " Large" Mother " should have read Late Mother, predictive Text took over.

Cheeers Blue-owl
Re the above post, " Large" Mother " should have read Late Mother, predictive Text took over. Cheeers Blue-owl Blue Owl

9:52am Sun 9 Dec 12

Boring says...

ToRusty wrote:
Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons.
But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout.

How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.
I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility.
Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN.
It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's.
Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is.........
Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers?
Not that I'm inferring anything obviously...........
.......
[quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons. But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout. How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.[/p][/quote]I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility. Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN. It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's. Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is......... Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers? Not that I'm inferring anything obviously........... ....... Boring

9:53am Sun 9 Dec 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down?
So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down? Bridgy old Boy

10:08am Sun 9 Dec 12

Boring says...

sheldoncooper wrote:
If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ?

I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again,

To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??
It's an obvious answer.
But I presume you don't agree that local business's will be effected by Tesco's?
Well, without you seeming to realise it, you have given the answer in your question!
[quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ? I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again, To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??[/p][/quote]It's an obvious answer. But I presume you don't agree that local business's will be effected by Tesco's? Well, without you seeming to realise it, you have given the answer in your question! Boring

11:36am Sun 9 Dec 12

Boring says...

Bridgy old Boy wrote:
So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down?
Exactly, why not shut every other shop down and let Tesco's have a monopoly!
That's Blue Owl's vision for the future.

Then once they have complete control they can pump their prices up,much the same as the railway and power companies.
Perhaps Blue Owl can remind us which party decided that privatising the above was a good idea!?
[quote][p][bold]Bridgy old Boy[/bold] wrote: So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down?[/p][/quote]Exactly, why not shut every other shop down and let Tesco's have a monopoly! That's Blue Owl's vision for the future. Then once they have complete control they can pump their prices up,much the same as the railway and power companies. Perhaps Blue Owl can remind us which party decided that privatising the above was a good idea!? Boring

2:28pm Sun 9 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

Boring wrote:
sheldoncooper wrote:
If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ?

I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again,

To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??
It's an obvious answer.
But I presume you don't agree that local business's will be effected by Tesco's?
Well, without you seeming to realise it, you have given the answer in your question!
Exactly what local businesses ?? High street is full of Estate Agents etc - I can't see them being affected by Tesco. They are competing against similar multi nationals like Currys etc and the local like businesses can't compete with either of them.
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: If the Town centre is, as according to some, killed off by Tesco then nobody will notice any difference ? I did ask a question on a previous Tesco thread and nobody responded, so i'll try again, To those that are so anti Tesco, if you had to buy a new TV for arguments sake, and it was £599 in a local independent, £549 in Currys and £499 in Tesco which would you chose. Would you really spend an extra £50 or even £100 as a point of principle ??[/p][/quote]It's an obvious answer. But I presume you don't agree that local business's will be effected by Tesco's? Well, without you seeming to realise it, you have given the answer in your question![/p][/quote]Exactly what local businesses ?? High street is full of Estate Agents etc - I can't see them being affected by Tesco. They are competing against similar multi nationals like Currys etc and the local like businesses can't compete with either of them. sheldoncooper

2:31pm Sun 9 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

Bridgy old Boy wrote:
So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down?
The logic of the argument does'nt suggest that at all . Tesco will be cheaper on some items, Currys on others, Asda on others etc. If they put their prices up I'd go elsewhere - there's lots of places to chose from both in the High Street ( not ours) and online ....to quote the Miracles "You'd better shop around "
[quote][p][bold]Bridgy old Boy[/bold] wrote: So then Blue Owl and Sheldon when Tesco have killed off all the opposition as the logic of your argument suggests will be the end result of the price war do you think they will then keep the prices down?[/p][/quote]The logic of the argument does'nt suggest that at all . Tesco will be cheaper on some items, Currys on others, Asda on others etc. If they put their prices up I'd go elsewhere - there's lots of places to chose from both in the High Street ( not ours) and online ....to quote the Miracles "You'd better shop around " sheldoncooper

7:52pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
ToRusty wrote:
Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons.
But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout.

How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.
I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility.
Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN.
It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's.
Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is.........
Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers?
Not that I'm inferring anything obviously...........

.......
I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's
Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality.
To answer the point raised by "Boring"
The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build.
At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years.
Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places.
I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons. But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout. How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.[/p][/quote]I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility. Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN. It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's. Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is......... Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers? Not that I'm inferring anything obviously........... .......[/p][/quote]I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality. To answer the point raised by "Boring" The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build. At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years. Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places. I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

8:20pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote:
ToRusty wrote:
Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons.
But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout.

How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.
I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility.
Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN.
It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's.
Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is.........
Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers?
Not that I'm inferring anything obviously...........


.......
I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's
Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality.
To answer the point raised by "Boring"
The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build.
At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years.
Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places.
I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town
Regards Blue-Owl
Blue Owl,your telling me that backhanders don't happen! Ho Ho Ho,
I know they happen, it's a fact. I could actually name names fella.
It's a case of " you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"
I know members of the public that have had this happen.
I won't name names on a public forum,but don't treat joe public as idiots.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons. But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout. How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.[/p][/quote]I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility. Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN. It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's. Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is......... Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers? Not that I'm inferring anything obviously........... .......[/p][/quote]I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality. To answer the point raised by "Boring" The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build. At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years. Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places. I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Blue Owl,your telling me that backhanders don't happen! Ho Ho Ho, I know they happen, it's a fact. I could actually name names fella. It's a case of " you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" I know members of the public that have had this happen. I won't name names on a public forum,but don't treat joe public as idiots. Boring

8:22pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

With ref to the email I sent to County Cllr Harvey Suggs, asking for clarification to the Highways Spend in Bridgwater against Somerset's other area's. The answer came back @ 17.3% for Bridgwater - Against 17.6% for Taunton Deane. So I have requested more detail, costing for the last 4 Years, broken down into Tar and Top Dressing, and new Tarmac laid.
As, the information I received did not say how much of the County Highway Annual Budget is spent within the Two Areas. I requested, information also, as to what Tarmac laying was to be scheduled for 2013-2014. And what Grit toppings?. Within the Rds named in Bridgwater for 2012 were all side roads, with the exception of the Cranleigh Grd Junction with Monmouth St, traffic Lights for 15 Yards of junction, this was as a result of the Tarmac failure adjoining the R. Parrett Bridge. There was only 5-6 Tarmac jobs listed, one being Bower Lane, which implied that the length had been laid, No ! Only patching repairs, better than nothing. You only have to see the New Roads / Bridges in Taunton, equal spending of the Budget, I Think Not !!!! Awaiting the response from SCC.
Regards Blue-Owl
With ref to the email I sent to County Cllr Harvey Suggs, asking for clarification to the Highways Spend in Bridgwater against Somerset's other area's. The answer came back @ 17.3% for Bridgwater - Against 17.6% for Taunton Deane. So I have requested more detail, costing for the last 4 Years, broken down into Tar and Top Dressing, and new Tarmac laid. As, the information I received did not say how much of the County Highway Annual Budget is spent within the Two Areas. I requested, information also, as to what Tarmac laying was to be scheduled for 2013-2014. And what Grit toppings?. Within the Rds named in Bridgwater for 2012 were all side roads, with the exception of the Cranleigh Grd Junction with Monmouth St, traffic Lights for 15 Yards of junction, this was as a result of the Tarmac failure adjoining the R. Parrett Bridge. There was only 5-6 Tarmac jobs listed, one being Bower Lane, which implied that the length had been laid, No ! Only patching repairs, better than nothing. You only have to see the New Roads / Bridges in Taunton, equal spending of the Budget, I Think Not !!!! Awaiting the response from SCC. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

8:34pm Sun 9 Dec 12

the voice of common sense says...

The way to ease the traffic problems anticipated by the opening of Tesco is to remove all the traffic lights on Broadway and Bristol road, install roundabouts, and let the traffic flow rather than at the moment driving from one set of lights to the next, only to wait while nothing moves through the junction.

If this is too much to ask for, at least synchronise the phasing of the lights so that we can make some progress.

Why hasn't the relief bridge from Colley lane to J24 been built yet? Is it because the money was spent on the third way and the new road from the railway station to the wickes roundabout in taunton
The way to ease the traffic problems anticipated by the opening of Tesco is to remove all the traffic lights on Broadway and Bristol road, install roundabouts, and let the traffic flow rather than at the moment driving from one set of lights to the next, only to wait while nothing moves through the junction. If this is too much to ask for, at least synchronise the phasing of the lights so that we can make some progress. Why hasn't the relief bridge from Colley lane to J24 been built yet? Is it because the money was spent on the third way and the new road from the railway station to the wickes roundabout in taunton the voice of common sense

8:35pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote:
ToRusty wrote:
Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons.
But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout.

How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.
I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility.
Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN.
It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's.
Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is.........
Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers?
Not that I'm inferring anything obviously...........



.......
I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's
Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality.
To answer the point raised by "Boring"
The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build.
At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years.
Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places.
I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town
Regards Blue-Owl
Blue Owl,your telling me that backhanders don't happen! Ho Ho Ho,
I know they happen, it's a fact. I could actually name names fella.
It's a case of " you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"
I know members of the public that have had this happen.
I won't name names on a public forum,but don't treat joe public as idiots.
Well, Name them Then, or Don't imply things that are not true, if you have as you say actual proof, not hearsay rumours, it' your duty to report such going on. But remember, you reap what you sow, so your So Called proof, had better be good. As you can not make Scurrilous Accusation, as you have without backing it up!!.
So Come on Boring, speak out or Shut Up.
Blue-Owl - Ex Cllr David Preece
Or are you implying, I have been in receipt of Backhanders????.
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToRusty[/bold] wrote: Ok so it's not safeways but morrisons. But then I still refer to the traffic lights as The Lido roundabout. How many off you anti Tesolites can remember that.[/p][/quote]I'm sure most of us can remember the " lido roundabout" it was next to a great leisure facility. Until the TORIES SHUT IT DOWN. It's a common theme in this town, big business v leisure facility's. Under the Tory run SDC,big business always wins, I wonder why that is......... Could it be that leisure facility's don't come with back handers? Not that I'm inferring anything obviously........... .......[/p][/quote]I refer to your Quote " Big Business Comes With BackHanders" You need to be very careful, although you are not implying it, you say, welle you actually have. The only benefits that are obtained from would be Developers are 106 Contributions, like getting Sainsbury to fund the then New Bridge over to Northgate, a win win situation not only for Sainsburys , but the Town of Bridgwater and its residents, also. From the funding, the Cornhill had a facelift. I did'nt hear anyone objecting then. Bridgwater High St retailer, and Fore St, have to sell and stock unusual and competetive products if they want to stay in Business . Then shoppers will stay in Bridgwater, not go to Taunton or W-S-M. I don't hear also anyone moaning on a Friday, when the Fore St Market is on, You can Buy, Cheeses, Fresh Meat, Bakery Good's Fresh Fruit / Veg, Clothing, Toy's, should this be objected to, No, !! The reason why, their prices and quality have to be acceptable in price and Quality. To answer the point raised by "Boring" The Tories shut the ' Lido Pool' . I have said b4 I spent most of my childhood @ the Lido as many did. Yes it was at the time, we thought closing the pool,it was the Boilers on the Top pool that was the reason to renew the Lido. At that time the Splash was going to be an all singing all. Dancing Wonder, during construction new developers had to be found to complete the build. At that time, I remember well, we thought we were going to get a pool we could swim in. We ended up with a Fun Pool. I personally have only been there max 6 times over all those years. Did I moan No , what did I do, went to swim at other places. I've waited 45 Years to be able to have a proper swim pool again in the Town Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Blue Owl,your telling me that backhanders don't happen! Ho Ho Ho, I know they happen, it's a fact. I could actually name names fella. It's a case of " you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" I know members of the public that have had this happen. I won't name names on a public forum,but don't treat joe public as idiots.[/p][/quote]Well, Name them Then, or Don't imply things that are not true, if you have as you say actual proof, not hearsay rumours, it' your duty to report such going on. But remember, you reap what you sow, so your So Called proof, had better be good. As you can not make Scurrilous Accusation, as you have without backing it up!!. So Come on Boring, speak out or Shut Up. Blue-Owl - Ex Cllr David Preece Or are you implying, I have been in receipt of Backhanders????. Blue Owl

10:05pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Boring says...

I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same.
But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here.
I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site!
I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same. But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here. I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site! Boring

10:17pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same.
But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here.
I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site!
Boring, You will not be surprised to hear that I have reported you recent Postings, you cannot make accusations without backing up , with facts, there are consequences, you should be aware of.
Regards
David L Preece
Blue- Owl
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same. But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here. I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site![/p][/quote]Boring, You will not be surprised to hear that I have reported you recent Postings, you cannot make accusations without backing up , with facts, there are consequences, you should be aware of. Regards David L Preece Blue- Owl Blue Owl

8:52am Mon 10 Dec 12

awayswing says...

For Blue Owl
I am all in favour of the farmers market and use it myself.However increasing the choice for shoppers on
one morning a week is not good enough.
It is no competition to the supermarkets.
For Blue Owl I am all in favour of the farmers market and use it myself.However increasing the choice for shoppers on one morning a week is not good enough. It is no competition to the supermarkets. awayswing

12:11pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

I imagine the likes of Aclands and hooks must despair at the views being spouted by Blue Owl and his Tory pals, I always thought the Tory Party was supposed to be the friends of small business? Apparently not now they are more than happy to get into bed with the big corporate giants and **** the consequences. In many respects Blue owls attempt to dominate this forum are not dissimilar to the major supermarket chains. Effectively trying to drown out opposition with an "I know best" mentality whilst everyone else knows it will end up the consumer suffering.
I imagine the likes of Aclands and hooks must despair at the views being spouted by Blue Owl and his Tory pals, I always thought the Tory Party was supposed to be the friends of small business? Apparently not now they are more than happy to get into bed with the big corporate giants and **** the consequences. In many respects Blue owls attempt to dominate this forum are not dissimilar to the major supermarket chains. Effectively trying to drown out opposition with an "I know best" mentality whilst everyone else knows it will end up the consumer suffering. Bridgy old Boy

12:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote: I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same. But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here. I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site!
Boring, You will not be surprised to hear that I have reported you recent Postings, you cannot make accusations without backing up , with facts, there are consequences, you should be aware of. Regards David L Preece Blue- Owl
Your not in a council chamber now fella. I have free speech, I know you don't like that, but tough.
I haven't slandered anyone or broken any laws, so grow up.
It's clear to see why the public rejected you isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: I'm saying I know what I know, and I know that plenty of others know the same. But I'm not stupid enough to name names on here. I haven't implied anything in respect of you, I had never heard of you until you took over this site![/p][/quote]Boring, You will not be surprised to hear that I have reported you recent Postings, you cannot make accusations without backing up , with facts, there are consequences, you should be aware of. Regards David L Preece Blue- Owl[/p][/quote]Your not in a council chamber now fella. I have free speech, I know you don't like that, but tough. I haven't slandered anyone or broken any laws, so grow up. It's clear to see why the public rejected you isn't it. Boring

12:53pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Boring says...

backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun)
Noun
A backhand stroke or shot in a game.
A blow made with the back of the hand.
backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun) Noun A backhand stroke or shot in a game. A blow made with the back of the hand. Boring

11:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun)
Noun
A backhand stroke or shot in a game.
A blow made with the back of the hand.
So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time
Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun) Noun A backhand stroke or shot in a game. A blow made with the back of the hand.[/p][/quote]So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time Blue-Owl Blue Owl

11:57pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

the voice of common sense wrote:
The way to ease the traffic problems anticipated by the opening of Tesco is to remove all the traffic lights on Broadway and Bristol road, install roundabouts, and let the traffic flow rather than at the moment driving from one set of lights to the next, only to wait while nothing moves through the junction.

If this is too much to ask for, at least synchronise the phasing of the lights so that we can make some progress.

Why hasn't the relief bridge from Colley lane to J24 been built yet? Is it because the money was spent on the third way and the new road from the railway station to the wickes roundabout in taunton
The reasoning you suggest of synchronising our Town Traffic Lights is something I tried many times to get SCC Highways to implement in our Town, they have had it in Taunton, obviously you will not be surprised to hear for over 10Years, it is referred to as a " Scoot System " We were supposed to have had an upgrade to our Traffic lights, linking Taunton Rd, Colley Lane, Monmouth/ St John St and the new Pelican Crossing @ the end of St John St, towards the mini roundabout , towards the Station.
Delay after delay, and road works which cut through the sensitive under road sensors, mean that our system is ineffective, also the traffic flows are monitored from the SCC Camera located up high on the pole on the corner of Morrisons Car Park. Those traffic lights have never operated consistently, always out of sync, but although monitored 24/7. never fixed.
One reason I was given by County Highways some time ago when I tried to resolve this problem as a Cllr , was that the control for these lights is located in the corner of what was Safeways Carpark, now Morrisons, and it had been with SCC Legal Dept for 3 years, as the agreement to put the control box@ that time was with Safeway, and they had not transferred the agreement to Morrisons. It beggars belief !!!!.
To answer you comment about installing round abouts, that's a No Goer, as they are dangerous to pedestrians, wanting to cross safely, Traffic lights are there, not for the motorist, but to prioritise pedestrians or Cyclist who cycle on the pavement illegally to cross, whether the Red Man or green man is flashing....I have for a long time now held a firm believe that SCC Highways Taunton, to not want our Traffic Flows working efficiently, as the more time it takes people to navigate the queues in and out of Bridgwater, the more likely that people and businesses will go to Taunton.
Who in their right mind would want to sit every morning queued back to North Petherton, or now Dunball on A38. And they still have plans to put a bus lane on Taunton Rd from Stockmoor, into Town. WHY ???? Only they know, we have told them repeatedly there is insufficient. Room.
Then there is Silver Fish Traffic Controlled Junction, worked perfectly when they installed it, now there are queues again right up over the Puriton hill from the Motorway, and queues again from Bridgwater, back to Bridge past Horsey Lane.
I don't hear that the New Councillors elected are following this problem up.
Bridge over from Taunton Rd to Colley Lane, money ring fenced from Stockmoor Housing Dev, Delayed by SCC as there was a problem 18 months ago with the proposed piling for the Bridge Supports.!!!! But yes, they can build new bridges in County Town of Taunton. I have written to Cllr Harvey Suggs, Portfolio Holder for Highway spending @ SCC, asking why the delay, why the spending of the Highway budget in Taunton, the reply I received was Bridgwater gets 17 .3 % of the Budget, Taunton Deane 17. 8 %
I don't think so !!!!!? Do you. Also don't forget the Park and Rides that have been created on the outskirts of Taunton, @ what costs ?????
We in Bridgwater are being Shafted,
Regards Blue - Owl
Ps. I shall be accused of hogging the Postings, but I believe that they should be held accountable when not spending the funding in Bridgwater.!!!
[quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: The way to ease the traffic problems anticipated by the opening of Tesco is to remove all the traffic lights on Broadway and Bristol road, install roundabouts, and let the traffic flow rather than at the moment driving from one set of lights to the next, only to wait while nothing moves through the junction. If this is too much to ask for, at least synchronise the phasing of the lights so that we can make some progress. Why hasn't the relief bridge from Colley lane to J24 been built yet? Is it because the money was spent on the third way and the new road from the railway station to the wickes roundabout in taunton[/p][/quote]The reasoning you suggest of synchronising our Town Traffic Lights is something I tried many times to get SCC Highways to implement in our Town, they have had it in Taunton, obviously you will not be surprised to hear for over 10Years, it is referred to as a " Scoot System " We were supposed to have had an upgrade to our Traffic lights, linking Taunton Rd, Colley Lane, Monmouth/ St John St and the new Pelican Crossing @ the end of St John St, towards the mini roundabout , towards the Station. Delay after delay, and road works which cut through the sensitive under road sensors, mean that our system is ineffective, also the traffic flows are monitored from the SCC Camera located up high on the pole on the corner of Morrisons Car Park. Those traffic lights have never operated consistently, always out of sync, but although monitored 24/7. never fixed. One reason I was given by County Highways some time ago when I tried to resolve this problem as a Cllr , was that the control for these lights is located in the corner of what was Safeways Carpark, now Morrisons, and it had been with SCC Legal Dept for 3 years, as the agreement to put the control box@ that time was with Safeway, and they had not transferred the agreement to Morrisons. It beggars belief !!!!. To answer you comment about installing round abouts, that's a No Goer, as they are dangerous to pedestrians, wanting to cross safely, Traffic lights are there, not for the motorist, but to prioritise pedestrians or Cyclist who cycle on the pavement illegally to cross, whether the Red Man or green man is flashing....I have for a long time now held a firm believe that SCC Highways Taunton, to not want our Traffic Flows working efficiently, as the more time it takes people to navigate the queues in and out of Bridgwater, the more likely that people and businesses will go to Taunton. Who in their right mind would want to sit every morning queued back to North Petherton, or now Dunball on A38. And they still have plans to put a bus lane on Taunton Rd from Stockmoor, into Town. WHY ???? Only they know, we have told them repeatedly there is insufficient. Room. Then there is Silver Fish Traffic Controlled Junction, worked perfectly when they installed it, now there are queues again right up over the Puriton hill from the Motorway, and queues again from Bridgwater, back to Bridge past Horsey Lane. I don't hear that the New Councillors elected are following this problem up. Bridge over from Taunton Rd to Colley Lane, money ring fenced from Stockmoor Housing Dev, Delayed by SCC as there was a problem 18 months ago with the proposed piling for the Bridge Supports.!!!! But yes, they can build new bridges in County Town of Taunton. I have written to Cllr Harvey Suggs, Portfolio Holder for Highway spending @ SCC, asking why the delay, why the spending of the Highway budget in Taunton, the reply I received was Bridgwater gets 17 .3 % of the Budget, Taunton Deane 17. 8 % I don't think so !!!!!? Do you. Also don't forget the Park and Rides that have been created on the outskirts of Taunton, @ what costs ????? We in Bridgwater are being Shafted, Regards Blue - Owl Ps. I shall be accused of hogging the Postings, but I believe that they should be held accountable when not spending the funding in Bridgwater.!!! Blue Owl

11:01am Tue 11 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote:
backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun)
Noun
A backhand stroke or shot in a game.
A blow made with the back of the hand.
So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time
Blue-Owl
So, not being content with thinking you run this forum, you now think your a mind reader.
Ever taken the time to think that your not actually very clever?
You sum up what being a" tory" is for many of us.
You are a complete control freak that cant see and cant handle other peoples views.
Your not a counciller,the people in this democratic land voted you out.
You cant control what other peoples views are, even though you try!.
Get over yourself fella.

Money is not being spent on BW's roads. We all know that, its been the case for decades.
Ever thought that a tory run SDC is to blame? your lot have had plenty of time to do something about it.
You yourself had your chance to do something about this and obviously didnt.
Now your blaming everyone else!
.
So, perhaps you may want to have a good look in that mirror you mention, yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun) Noun A backhand stroke or shot in a game. A blow made with the back of the hand.[/p][/quote]So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]So, not being content with thinking you run this forum, you now think your a mind reader. Ever taken the time to think that your not actually very clever? You sum up what being a" tory" is for many of us. You are a complete control freak that cant see and cant handle other peoples views. Your not a counciller,the people in this democratic land voted you out. You cant control what other peoples views are, even though you try!. Get over yourself fella. Money is not being spent on BW's roads. We all know that, its been the case for decades. Ever thought that a tory run SDC is to blame? your lot have had plenty of time to do something about it. You yourself had your chance to do something about this and obviously didnt. Now your blaming everyone else! . So, perhaps you may want to have a good look in that mirror you mention, yourself. Boring

11:23pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Bridgy old Boy wrote:
I imagine the likes of Aclands and hooks must despair at the views being spouted by Blue Owl and his Tory pals, I always thought the Tory Party was supposed to be the friends of small business? Apparently not now they are more than happy to get into bed with the big corporate giants and **** the consequences. In many respects Blue owls attempt to dominate this forum are not dissimilar to the major supermarket chains. Effectively trying to drown out opposition with an "I know best" mentality whilst everyone else knows it will end up the consumer suffering.
Aclands are more than capable of competing with, other retail competitors in the Audio, TV, or White Goods products, as they are trading as an independent, but are part of a merchandising Group, so they have support for purchasing, thus makes them competitive. Don' t preach to me about buying locally, I endeavour to where possible, Hooks the clothing retailer in Eastover, has to compete with other retailers, like Asda, who also sell similar products, but not necessary. The same quality, it is there fore up to the consumer to decide where they want to spend their money, It the real world out there, compete or die....... There are no subsidies to prop up failing businesses. So Hooks will do what ever it needs to , to attract custom, away from their competitors.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Bridgy old Boy[/bold] wrote: I imagine the likes of Aclands and hooks must despair at the views being spouted by Blue Owl and his Tory pals, I always thought the Tory Party was supposed to be the friends of small business? Apparently not now they are more than happy to get into bed with the big corporate giants and **** the consequences. In many respects Blue owls attempt to dominate this forum are not dissimilar to the major supermarket chains. Effectively trying to drown out opposition with an "I know best" mentality whilst everyone else knows it will end up the consumer suffering.[/p][/quote]Aclands are more than capable of competing with, other retail competitors in the Audio, TV, or White Goods products, as they are trading as an independent, but are part of a merchandising Group, so they have support for purchasing, thus makes them competitive. Don' t preach to me about buying locally, I endeavour to where possible, Hooks the clothing retailer in Eastover, has to compete with other retailers, like Asda, who also sell similar products, but not necessary. The same quality, it is there fore up to the consumer to decide where they want to spend their money, It the real world out there, compete or die....... There are no subsidies to prop up failing businesses. So Hooks will do what ever it needs to , to attract custom, away from their competitors. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl

9:49am Wed 12 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote:
backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun)
Noun
A backhand stroke or shot in a game.
A blow made with the back of the hand.
So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time
Blue-Owl
So, not being content with thinking you run this forum, you now think your a mind reader.
Ever taken the time to think that your not actually very clever?
You sum up what being a" tory" is for many of us.
You are a complete control freak that cant see and cant handle other peoples views.
Your not a counciller,the people in this democratic land voted you out.
You cant control what other peoples views are, even though you try!.
Get over yourself fella.

Money is not being spent on BW's roads. We all know that, its been the case for decades.
Ever thought that a tory run SDC is to blame? your lot have had plenty of time to do something about it.
You yourself had your chance to do something about this and obviously didnt.
Now your blaming everyone else!
.
So, perhaps you may want to have a good look in that mirror you mention, yourself.
Boring I am not by any means a Control Freak as you put it, But someone who Got off their Backside and actually tried along with others to attempt to remedy some of the problems that need addressing, so that the likes of yourself could have some one or something to moan at, Well carry on, your comments are ill conceived , untrue, and the same as you pseudo name you hide behind,
Boring !!!!!!!
Blue-Owl.
Ps. I expect you are one of many who do little for others, but plenty for yourself, go on astound me !,,,Reply.
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: backhanders plural of back·hand·er (Noun) Noun A backhand stroke or shot in a game. A blow made with the back of the hand.[/p][/quote]So, now you are realising the consequences of you actions, trying to wriggle out of what you Posted, well it's not me that needs to grow up, look in a mirror some time Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]So, not being content with thinking you run this forum, you now think your a mind reader. Ever taken the time to think that your not actually very clever? You sum up what being a" tory" is for many of us. You are a complete control freak that cant see and cant handle other peoples views. Your not a counciller,the people in this democratic land voted you out. You cant control what other peoples views are, even though you try!. Get over yourself fella. Money is not being spent on BW's roads. We all know that, its been the case for decades. Ever thought that a tory run SDC is to blame? your lot have had plenty of time to do something about it. You yourself had your chance to do something about this and obviously didnt. Now your blaming everyone else! . So, perhaps you may want to have a good look in that mirror you mention, yourself.[/p][/quote]Boring I am not by any means a Control Freak as you put it, But someone who Got off their Backside and actually tried along with others to attempt to remedy some of the problems that need addressing, so that the likes of yourself could have some one or something to moan at, Well carry on, your comments are ill conceived , untrue, and the same as you pseudo name you hide behind, Boring !!!!!!! Blue-Owl. Ps. I expect you are one of many who do little for others, but plenty for yourself, go on astound me !,,,Reply. Blue Owl

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