No 'pot of gold' for Helston College rebuild

This is The West Country: No 'pot of gold' for Helston College rebuild No 'pot of gold' for Helston College rebuild

More detail has come out about funding relating to the threatened Helston Community College rebuild.

On Monday Andrew Wallis, portfolio holder for Children and Young People and councillor for Porthleven and Helston west, wrote on his blog about the history of the scheme and the funding.

He said when the decision was made last year “there was no clear idea on how it would be paid for.”

Funding of such schemes for schools normally comes through Department for Education capital grant funding, which is designed to fund all Local Authority schools in Cornwall.

In the 2011/12 financial year this grant was £9,878,067, while in the current financial year it has been reduced to £6,886,597.

Mr Wallis said: “This money is not for one school, however – it is for all schools in Cornwall. So if we wanted to use this money for C-block, then there would be no money for any other school. Currently, there is around £54m worth of maintenance back-log in Cornwall’s schools.”

He added that Helston was “one of five other schools” in similar positions.

If the council borrowed the money, initial repayments would cost £675,000 a year. While this amount would reduce over time, the average costs over 40 years would be £465,000 per annum or £800,000 over 25 years.

“With money as tight as it is at the council, this would require some pretty drastic action in services/capital programme just to cover the loan costs,” he said.

To fund £10million itself, the council would have to abandon one or a number of existing council schemes and look at larger areas of spending, such as repairing roads and providing houses for local people, he added.

Mr Wallis said: “This decision was made 12 months ago. When I took over as the portfolio holder two months ago I asked the question on what was happening at Helston College a month into the role.

“I was told that the issue of lack of funding is still the same as it was 12 months ago. You might ask what was happening for the ten months before I took over the portfolio.”

He concluded: “I would like to make it very clear that I have not cut any funding for Helston College. There has to be funding in place to be able to cut it, and the original decision to go ahead with the proposed rebuild was made in principle, subject to approval of appropriate funding.”

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11:02am Fri 2 Aug 13

FurryDancer says...

Mr Wallice has overlooked the fact that when he was playing politics last year by helping to derail the joint venture with BT, he also threw away the £15 million savings per year that joint venture would have made.

So the £10 million cost of rebuilding Helston College could have come out of the savings, with £5 million left over for other schools.

Actions have consequences Mr Wallice, and your actions last year have severely damaged a great school in Helston.

Thank goodness the Leader of Cornwall Council has now stepped in and will attempt to resolve this urgent issue.

The phrase "out of your depth" comes to mind.
Mr Wallice has overlooked the fact that when he was playing politics last year by helping to derail the joint venture with BT, he also threw away the £15 million savings per year that joint venture would have made. So the £10 million cost of rebuilding Helston College could have come out of the savings, with £5 million left over for other schools. Actions have consequences Mr Wallice, and your actions last year have severely damaged a great school in Helston. Thank goodness the Leader of Cornwall Council has now stepped in and will attempt to resolve this urgent issue. The phrase "out of your depth" comes to mind. FurryDancer
  • Score: 1

11:46am Fri 2 Aug 13

fred from helston says...

Mr Wallis has been a good councilor but seem completly out of his depth with the cabinet position.
Mr Wallis has been a good councilor but seem completly out of his depth with the cabinet position. fred from helston
  • Score: -2

12:38pm Fri 2 Aug 13

RNASDutch says...

fred from helston is absolutely right. Mr Wallis has clearly been overpromoted to a cabinet position, and I would think the chairman now realises this and thats why he has stepped in and taken over. I do not want the future of my children in this hands of this cornwall councillor wallis
fred from helston is absolutely right. Mr Wallis has clearly been overpromoted to a cabinet position, and I would think the chairman now realises this and thats why he has stepped in and taken over. I do not want the future of my children in this hands of this cornwall councillor wallis RNASDutch
  • Score: -2

1:20pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The Full JV with BT had it gone ahead, did not actually guarantee savings of fifteen million per year and eventual job losses were a possiblility, I believe council staff would have been transferred as BT employees, a percentage of council staff were against it. BT is a profit making company that has share holders to pay and as such the likelyhood that one stop shops, libraries etc that make no profit would have experienced cut backs or closures, utility companies such as water, and railways etc have never really worked financially in favour of the public since they were privatised.
Any savings the council may or may not have made would only have been savings on future government cutbacks in council funding, it would however not meant spare available cash for schools that was never there in the first place. There is a document available in the public domain approximately 50 pages long as far as I remember, on the full JV and the light JV.

One would expect that the leader of the council would lead, as that is what he paid to do.

Councillor Andrew Wallis has only been a cabinet member since May, if the money had been readily available for the school re build when it was agreed in principle about a year ago subject to funding being sought, then the school no doubt would have been in possession of that funding well before the elections and change of council and cabinet members.

Councillor Andrew Wallis is not out of his depth as a cabinet member, there are approximately 10 members and the current cabinet has only been in place since May, the cabinet members do not run the councils financial budget, that is the job of the paid employee the Chief Executive Officer.

If I go to a bank to borrow some money as there is not enough in my account and the bank manager says no, do I blame the cashiers!

Personally I find it easier to hold Cornwall Council and any Councillors including Town Councillors to account, if I actually bother to contact them and ask questions which is what I have done for many years.
I may not always get the answer I like, however they cannot please all of the people all of the time.
The Full JV with BT had it gone ahead, did not actually guarantee savings of fifteen million per year and eventual job losses were a possiblility, I believe council staff would have been transferred as BT employees, a percentage of council staff were against it. BT is a profit making company that has share holders to pay and as such the likelyhood that one stop shops, libraries etc that make no profit would have experienced cut backs or closures, utility companies such as water, and railways etc have never really worked financially in favour of the public since they were privatised. Any savings the council may or may not have made would only have been savings on future government cutbacks in council funding, it would however not meant spare available cash for schools that was never there in the first place. There is a document available in the public domain approximately 50 pages long as far as I remember, on the full JV and the light JV. One would expect that the leader of the council would lead, as that is what he paid to do. Councillor Andrew Wallis has only been a cabinet member since May, if the money had been readily available for the school re build when it was agreed in principle about a year ago subject to funding being sought, then the school no doubt would have been in possession of that funding well before the elections and change of council and cabinet members. Councillor Andrew Wallis is not out of his depth as a cabinet member, there are approximately 10 members and the current cabinet has only been in place since May, the cabinet members do not run the councils financial budget, that is the job of the paid employee the Chief Executive Officer. If I go to a bank to borrow some money as there is not enough in my account and the bank manager says no, do I blame the cashiers! Personally I find it easier to hold Cornwall Council and any Councillors including Town Councillors to account, if I actually bother to contact them and ask questions which is what I have done for many years. I may not always get the answer I like, however they cannot please all of the people all of the time. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: -5

2:32pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Helston fly on the wall says...

fred from helston as your posts seem to have the same spelling mistakes as Ron, are you the same person that wants to slate Cllr Wallis but wont do it under your own name, or did you both go to the same school because you make identical spelling mistakes.
fred from helston as your posts seem to have the same spelling mistakes as Ron, are you the same person that wants to slate Cllr Wallis but wont do it under your own name, or did you both go to the same school because you make identical spelling mistakes. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 1

4:17pm Fri 2 Aug 13

meerkats says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
fred from helston as your posts seem to have the same spelling mistakes as Ron, are you the same person that wants to slate Cllr Wallis but wont do it under your own name, or did you both go to the same school because you make identical spelling mistakes.
There are a few on here that every time they criticise or slate Cllr Wallis they spell his surname wrong, dont think it can be a mistake ,i have pointed it out several times but the" regular"s still do it . Its neither funny or clever or necessary.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: fred from helston as your posts seem to have the same spelling mistakes as Ron, are you the same person that wants to slate Cllr Wallis but wont do it under your own name, or did you both go to the same school because you make identical spelling mistakes.[/p][/quote]There are a few on here that every time they criticise or slate Cllr Wallis they spell his surname wrong, dont think it can be a mistake ,i have pointed it out several times but the" regular"s still do it . Its neither funny or clever or necessary. meerkats
  • Score: -1

4:40pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Helston fly on the wall says...

Ron always spells Wallis right like fred but he always spells councillo wrong and other things like fred, and I think you are right meerkats
and dont worry how many dislikes you or GZM get
you both are doing the right thing.
Ron always spells Wallis right like fred but he always spells councillo wrong and other things like fred, and I think you are right meerkats and dont worry how many dislikes you or GZM get you both are doing the right thing. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: -1

5:01pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Helston fly on the wall says...

should have said councillor and I dont make repeated mistakes.
should have said councillor and I dont make repeated mistakes. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Fri 2 Aug 13

meerkats says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
should have said councillor and I dont make repeated mistakes.
lol
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: should have said councillor and I dont make repeated mistakes.[/p][/quote]lol meerkats
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Fri 2 Aug 13

meerkats says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Ron always spells Wallis right like fred but he always spells councillo wrong and other things like fred, and I think you are right meerkats
and dont worry how many dislikes you or GZM get
you both are doing the right thing.
Thank you . Dont like this new point scoring , but i will keep posting comments and just see how it goes.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Ron always spells Wallis right like fred but he always spells councillo wrong and other things like fred, and I think you are right meerkats and dont worry how many dislikes you or GZM get you both are doing the right thing.[/p][/quote]Thank you . Dont like this new point scoring , but i will keep posting comments and just see how it goes. meerkats
  • Score: 2

6:45am Sat 3 Aug 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I.
I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring.
At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score.
I will always read your comments meerkats.
Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I. I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring. At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score. I will always read your comments meerkats. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 8

7:41am Sat 3 Aug 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I.
I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring.
At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score.
I will always read your comments meerkats.
Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I. I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring. At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score. I will always read your comments meerkats.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied. meerkats
  • Score: 5

8:32am Sun 4 Aug 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I.
I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring.
At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score.
I will always read your comments meerkats.
Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied.
I would be interested in their answer to you meerkats.
I was just going to comment on the museum article but after seeing what was on there thought there was little point. I doubt some of these negative 'dislike' game players even buy the Packet. I just can't understand why they don't just post a comment instead. We don't have to all agree but we could express why. I notice they don't have a like/dislike link for people to judge the news article itself.

As for the above article, I think it is all too easy to point the finger at one Councillor when things do not suit. I think to be a Councillor one must be brave because I think it appears a thankless task of ones time and effort.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I. I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring. At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score. I will always read your comments meerkats.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied.[/p][/quote]I would be interested in their answer to you meerkats. I was just going to comment on the museum article but after seeing what was on there thought there was little point. I doubt some of these negative 'dislike' game players even buy the Packet. I just can't understand why they don't just post a comment instead. We don't have to all agree but we could express why. I notice they don't have a like/dislike link for people to judge the news article itself. As for the above article, I think it is all too easy to point the finger at one Councillor when things do not suit. I think to be a Councillor one must be brave because I think it appears a thankless task of ones time and effort. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 3

1:38pm Sun 4 Aug 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I.
I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring.
At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score.
I will always read your comments meerkats.
Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied.
I would be interested in their answer to you meerkats.
I was just going to comment on the museum article but after seeing what was on there thought there was little point. I doubt some of these negative 'dislike' game players even buy the Packet. I just can't understand why they don't just post a comment instead. We don't have to all agree but we could express why. I notice they don't have a like/dislike link for people to judge the news article itself.

As for the above article, I think it is all too easy to point the finger at one Councillor when things do not suit. I think to be a Councillor one must be brave because I think it appears a thankless task of ones time and effort.
I emailed the editor on Tuesday regarding this and he has not replied yet which has left me disappointed, i know the Packet team work hard and have plenty to do , but i would have appreciated a reply from him . i agree that its easy to point the finger at one Cllr when things do not suit, but unfortunately its nearly always the same Cllr - Andrew Wallis.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Helston fly on the wall, thank you for saying " don't worry how many dislikes I get" it is actually the principle of the point scoring that I am against, I said previously, I think it will deter some people from commenting because it can be demeaning to have their personal opinions judged and even by some that don't even bother commenting. We could additionally be judged by people that have been banned from commenting on the website, as being banned from commenting could not prevent access to the website. meerkats is clearly not happy with the idea and neither am I. I am happy with debate or civil exchange of opinions, not point scoring. At least on some other websites it appears people only 'dislike' a comment for a genuine reason and not just to witch hunt and point score. I will always read your comments meerkats.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill ,i hope you will continue commenting as i always enjoy reading yours. I did email the Packet editor to ask what it is(point scoring) all about but as yet he hasnt replied.[/p][/quote]I would be interested in their answer to you meerkats. I was just going to comment on the museum article but after seeing what was on there thought there was little point. I doubt some of these negative 'dislike' game players even buy the Packet. I just can't understand why they don't just post a comment instead. We don't have to all agree but we could express why. I notice they don't have a like/dislike link for people to judge the news article itself. As for the above article, I think it is all too easy to point the finger at one Councillor when things do not suit. I think to be a Councillor one must be brave because I think it appears a thankless task of ones time and effort.[/p][/quote]I emailed the editor on Tuesday regarding this and he has not replied yet which has left me disappointed, i know the Packet team work hard and have plenty to do , but i would have appreciated a reply from him . i agree that its easy to point the finger at one Cllr when things do not suit, but unfortunately its nearly always the same Cllr - Andrew Wallis. meerkats
  • Score: 3

3:25pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I believe the reason Councillor Andrew Wallis ends up in the firing line for criticism, is because unlike many Councillors, he bothers to actually keep the public informed. How many people I wonder, know what role their local Councillor partakes in and how well they are doing within that role.
I would rather be kept informed via the media or other platforms of communication about publicly topical issues, even if I didn't agree with whatever it happened to be at the time, than be left guessing.
I believe Councillor Andrew Wallis deserves credit for keeping the public informed, it is all too easy I think, to keep quiet to gain public favour. If any Councillor has the agenda of staying out of the public eye then personally I think they would not be a very good Councillor, and I may think they had something to hide within their role.
I believe the reason Councillor Andrew Wallis ends up in the firing line for criticism, is because unlike many Councillors, he bothers to actually keep the public informed. How many people I wonder, know what role their local Councillor partakes in and how well they are doing within that role. I would rather be kept informed via the media or other platforms of communication about publicly topical issues, even if I didn't agree with whatever it happened to be at the time, than be left guessing. I believe Councillor Andrew Wallis deserves credit for keeping the public informed, it is all too easy I think, to keep quiet to gain public favour. If any Councillor has the agenda of staying out of the public eye then personally I think they would not be a very good Councillor, and I may think they had something to hide within their role. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 4

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