Helston 'pasty drive-thru' plan withdrawn and site up for sale

Helston 'pasty drive-thru' plan withdrawn and site up for sale

Helston 'pasty drive-thru' plan withdrawn and site up for sale

Developers wanted to turn the former Hilltop Garage into a pasty 'drive-thru'

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Developers hoping to create Cornwall’s first ‘pasty drive-thru’ in Helston have withdrawn their plans and put the site up for sale.

Helston Pasty Co Ltd had applied for permission to turn the former Hilltop Garage at the top of Sithney Common Hill into a pasty takeaway and shop in which to sell other Cornish produce.

The scheme had sparked anger among some business owners in nearby Helston, who claimed at a Helston Town Council meeting in April that the town could “not survive any more hardship.”

As a result members had unanimously recommended that permission be refused, with concerns over an “unacceptable” increase in traffic, threat to highway safety and “significant” loss of amenities to neighbours, owing to fumes and odours, being among the reasons.

However, agents for the project, Laurence Associates, had stated there was “significant local support” for it.

The firm said at the time: “Given the extent of the existing building and a prominent nature of the site, the applicants have aspirations that the site should become a showcase for the display and sale of Cornish produce. In this regard the applications believe that the site could become a tourist attraction in its own right.

In the event the plan never came before Cornwall Council’s planning committee and this week Ken Cocking, who had been behind the venture, confirmed the application was withdrawn and the site on the market.

Mr Cocking, who had been working on the scheme with his sons and business partner, is reported to have said they felt there was “no point” in carrying on the plan.

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11:23am Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

This is good news for Helston Town Centre. The proposed selling of 'local produce' in addition to pasties, would have been extremely detrimental to town trade, that would have left it open to selling virtually anything and everything the town centre sells. As one of the main projects in Helston is the reinstatement of the market, I feel it is unfair to allow anymore competition, as the whole point of the section 106 money was to use for initiatives like the market, to offset the affects of out of town supermarkets and to be able to offer a different shopping experience within the town. 106 Money has been invested in such projects and to further allow detrimental trade opposition would in my view be terribly wrong.
This is good news for Helston Town Centre. The proposed selling of 'local produce' in addition to pasties, would have been extremely detrimental to town trade, that would have left it open to selling virtually anything and everything the town centre sells. As one of the main projects in Helston is the reinstatement of the market, I feel it is unfair to allow anymore competition, as the whole point of the section 106 money was to use for initiatives like the market, to offset the affects of out of town supermarkets and to be able to offer a different shopping experience within the town. 106 Money has been invested in such projects and to further allow detrimental trade opposition would in my view be terribly wrong. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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11:26am Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Well done to Helston Town Council for recommending that permission be refused.
Well done to Helston Town Council for recommending that permission be refused. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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11:43am Thu 18 Jul 13

meerkats says...

Well done to the TC , a good decision and i am sure all the other pasty retailers in the town will breathe a huge sigh of relief. Helston does not need out of town shops that would draw trade away from the town.
Well done to the TC , a good decision and i am sure all the other pasty retailers in the town will breathe a huge sigh of relief. Helston does not need out of town shops that would draw trade away from the town. meerkats
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1:46pm Thu 18 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

It's an ideal site for a Tesco Extra or a Subway

I would be very careful by getting too excited about the site being put up for sale.

No doubt whatever is eventually proposed,there will be the inevitable complainers
It's an ideal site for a Tesco Extra or a Subway I would be very careful by getting too excited about the site being put up for sale. No doubt whatever is eventually proposed,there will be the inevitable complainers telstar1962
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2:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Very disapointed that investment and jobs are now not coming to the town.
With the attitude of the town council I suspect the site will now remain derelict for some time as any other investors considering Helston will be put off completly.
Very disapointed that investment and jobs are now not coming to the town. With the attitude of the town council I suspect the site will now remain derelict for some time as any other investors considering Helston will be put off completly. ronedgcumbe
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2:30pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think the Town Council should be commended for their attitude in backing the businesses in the town centre. It shows a Town Council that stands by their principles and practices what it preaches.

I think it is negative to state that "any other investors considering Helston will be put off completely"

Personally I would rather see a residential development there, although I suppose highways issues would prevent that.

I personally will continue to object to any proposed trade at Hill Top which would be detrimental to the town centre.
I think the Town Council should be commended for their attitude in backing the businesses in the town centre. It shows a Town Council that stands by their principles and practices what it preaches. I think it is negative to state that "any other investors considering Helston will be put off completely" Personally I would rather see a residential development there, although I suppose highways issues would prevent that. I personally will continue to object to any proposed trade at Hill Top which would be detrimental to the town centre. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Very disapointed that investment and jobs are now not coming to the town.
With the attitude of the town council I suspect the site will now remain derelict for some time as any other investors considering Helston will be put off completly.
There is another way of looking at this ,yes it would have created jobs ,but on the other hand people that already work in the pasty shops in town may have lost theirs . Dont think other investors will be put off ,it neednt be used as a retail premises anyway.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Very disapointed that investment and jobs are now not coming to the town. With the attitude of the town council I suspect the site will now remain derelict for some time as any other investors considering Helston will be put off completly.[/p][/quote]There is another way of looking at this ,yes it would have created jobs ,but on the other hand people that already work in the pasty shops in town may have lost theirs . Dont think other investors will be put off ,it neednt be used as a retail premises anyway. meerkats
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3:56pm Thu 18 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

It was not the town councils remit to turn down the application they simply choses to look at it even though it was outside the towns boundry. They applicant chose not to seek consent from ccc.
It was an origonal idea that could have brought visitors, investment and jobs to Helston but as allways the same small town protectionist mentality seems to win.
It was not the town councils remit to turn down the application they simply choses to look at it even though it was outside the towns boundry. They applicant chose not to seek consent from ccc. It was an origonal idea that could have brought visitors, investment and jobs to Helston but as allways the same small town protectionist mentality seems to win. ronedgcumbe
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4:21pm Thu 18 Jul 13

meerkats says...

Still maintain its the best decision and i would hope that any retail application that would harm the trade in town will be refused.
Still maintain its the best decision and i would hope that any retail application that would harm the trade in town will be refused. meerkats
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5:31pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The town council can recommend refusal for a planning application, and yes it does have to go before Cornwall Councils planning committee, and they have the final say, however, the applicant has withdrawn their request in this instance.
It does not alter the fact the Town Council did the right thing in recommending it for refusal and showing their backing for the town centre.

Helston does not in my view have "small town protectionist mentality" in a detrimental way that I assume you mean, it is simply a unique Cornish market town that is currently trying its best to thrive and if protecting the towns businesses is what it takes then that is exactly what should happen. The Town Council nor all the positively thinking residents or those from outlying villages, do not want Helston to become a 'ghost town' as has happened in some other towns that people did not bother or care enough about to help survive.
The town council can recommend refusal for a planning application, and yes it does have to go before Cornwall Councils planning committee, and they have the final say, however, the applicant has withdrawn their request in this instance. It does not alter the fact the Town Council did the right thing in recommending it for refusal and showing their backing for the town centre. Helston does not in my view have "small town protectionist mentality" in a detrimental way that I assume you mean, it is simply a unique Cornish market town that is currently trying its best to thrive and if protecting the towns businesses is what it takes then that is exactly what should happen. The Town Council nor all the positively thinking residents or those from outlying villages, do not want Helston to become a 'ghost town' as has happened in some other towns that people did not bother or care enough about to help survive. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

My above post was directed to Ron.
My above post was directed to Ron. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:42pm Thu 18 Jul 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
The town council can recommend refusal for a planning application, and yes it does have to go before Cornwall Councils planning committee, and they have the final say, however, the applicant has withdrawn their request in this instance.
It does not alter the fact the Town Council did the right thing in recommending it for refusal and showing their backing for the town centre.

Helston does not in my view have "small town protectionist mentality" in a detrimental way that I assume you mean, it is simply a unique Cornish market town that is currently trying its best to thrive and if protecting the towns businesses is what it takes then that is exactly what should happen. The Town Council nor all the positively thinking residents or those from outlying villages, do not want Helston to become a 'ghost town' as has happened in some other towns that people did not bother or care enough about to help survive.
Well said Gill . i think with the reopening of the toilets and this refusal are two great examples of the TC,s work in and for Helston and is a positive step forward.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: The town council can recommend refusal for a planning application, and yes it does have to go before Cornwall Councils planning committee, and they have the final say, however, the applicant has withdrawn their request in this instance. It does not alter the fact the Town Council did the right thing in recommending it for refusal and showing their backing for the town centre. Helston does not in my view have "small town protectionist mentality" in a detrimental way that I assume you mean, it is simply a unique Cornish market town that is currently trying its best to thrive and if protecting the towns businesses is what it takes then that is exactly what should happen. The Town Council nor all the positively thinking residents or those from outlying villages, do not want Helston to become a 'ghost town' as has happened in some other towns that people did not bother or care enough about to help survive.[/p][/quote]Well said Gill . i think with the reopening of the toilets and this refusal are two great examples of the TC,s work in and for Helston and is a positive step forward. meerkats
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5:54pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected.
As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition.

The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for.
In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected. As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition. The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:48pm Thu 18 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected.
As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition.

The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for.
Very negative opinion but I agree to disagree.
At the end of the day we both want the best for Helston I just think we could be greater and some want to hold on to what they have.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected. As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition. The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for.[/p][/quote]Very negative opinion but I agree to disagree. At the end of the day we both want the best for Helston I just think we could be greater and some want to hold on to what they have. ronedgcumbe
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7:52pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected.
As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition.

The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for.
Very negative opinion but I agree to disagree.
At the end of the day we both want the best for Helston I just think we could be greater and some want to hold on to what they have.
I do not think my opinion is negative, it is based on previous things that have occurred within the town centre due to out of town competition, and having had Helston built back up again with trade/ initiatives and revived by the HBIP and the Town Council, I have no wish to see the same thing happen again by the introduction of yet another out of town food outlet.
If you are in any doubt as to the towns opinion on this take a look on Cornwall Councils website planning applications page at the objections to the pasty drive through.
I certainly want what is best for Helston Town Centre and I know that the HBIP and the Town Council do, and they are proving that.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: In my view the theory that it would have brought jobs and visitors to Helston is flawed, jobs could have been lost within the town centre if trade dropped in the bakers, some shops may have even closed completely. The cafes in Helston would also likely have suffered loss of trade. As they were proposing a shop selling local produce as well, many shops in the town sell local produce and as such they could have been adversely affected. As for attracting extra visitors, I think that is pure supposition. The Town Council are clearly displaying the right attitude to help the town they claim to care about, and that in my view is good and something I for one am very grateful for.[/p][/quote]Very negative opinion but I agree to disagree. At the end of the day we both want the best for Helston I just think we could be greater and some want to hold on to what they have.[/p][/quote]I do not think my opinion is negative, it is based on previous things that have occurred within the town centre due to out of town competition, and having had Helston built back up again with trade/ initiatives and revived by the HBIP and the Town Council, I have no wish to see the same thing happen again by the introduction of yet another out of town food outlet. If you are in any doubt as to the towns opinion on this take a look on Cornwall Councils website planning applications page at the objections to the pasty drive through. I certainly want what is best for Helston Town Centre and I know that the HBIP and the Town Council do, and they are proving that. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:59pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree to disagree with you Ron, however, I think if you spoke to the HBIP members and the Town Council if you have not already done so, you may see things from a different view point.
I agree to disagree with you Ron, however, I think if you spoke to the HBIP members and the Town Council if you have not already done so, you may see things from a different view point. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:04pm Thu 18 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

So on the basis that posters are pleased the Hill Top site application has been withdrawn, does this mean that every site about one mile away from Helston's boundary will be opposed for business, on the grounds it will harm the Town Centre ?

That's an odd view on progress.

Surely once the BID area status is confirmed,and the Town businesses are paying more to combat the competition,then the Town Centre businesses will have nothing to fear from others.

Or perhaps the florist in Town should relocate to Hill Top, he could make that area look very pretty with colourful flowers. ( and have plenty of room for the whole of Helston to visit )
So on the basis that posters are pleased the Hill Top site application has been withdrawn, does this mean that every site about one mile away from Helston's boundary will be opposed for business, on the grounds it will harm the Town Centre ? That's an odd view on progress. Surely once the BID area status is confirmed,and the Town businesses are paying more to combat the competition,then the Town Centre businesses will have nothing to fear from others. Or perhaps the florist in Town should relocate to Hill Top, he could make that area look very pretty with colourful flowers. ( and have plenty of room for the whole of Helston to visit ) telstar1962
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8:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

One thing I didn't quite understand, what did you mean Ron by "some want to hold on to what they have" ?
One thing I didn't quite understand, what did you mean Ron by "some want to hold on to what they have" ? Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
So on the basis that posters are pleased the Hill Top site application has been withdrawn, does this mean that every site about one mile away from Helston's boundary will be opposed for business, on the grounds it will harm the Town Centre ?

That's an odd view on progress.

Surely once the BID area status is confirmed,and the Town businesses are paying more to combat the competition,then the Town Centre businesses will have nothing to fear from others.

Or perhaps the florist in Town should relocate to Hill Top, he could make that area look very pretty with colourful flowers. ( and have plenty of room for the whole of Helston to visit )
My view point is not that any investor outside of the town should be refused, however, pasties alongside a shop with proposed local produce, which in reality could stock a diverse range such as a supermarket, is the worse possible proposal for that site.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: So on the basis that posters are pleased the Hill Top site application has been withdrawn, does this mean that every site about one mile away from Helston's boundary will be opposed for business, on the grounds it will harm the Town Centre ? That's an odd view on progress. Surely once the BID area status is confirmed,and the Town businesses are paying more to combat the competition,then the Town Centre businesses will have nothing to fear from others. Or perhaps the florist in Town should relocate to Hill Top, he could make that area look very pretty with colourful flowers. ( and have plenty of room for the whole of Helston to visit )[/p][/quote]My view point is not that any investor outside of the town should be refused, however, pasties alongside a shop with proposed local produce, which in reality could stock a diverse range such as a supermarket, is the worse possible proposal for that site. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

Fair comment Gillian,however,we will wait to see which 'investor' purchases the property, and what better proposal persues.
Fair comment Gillian,however,we will wait to see which 'investor' purchases the property, and what better proposal persues. telstar1962
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8:21pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think they should build a house/bungalow or houses on the site, bearing in mind it is adjacent to a bungalow.
I think they should build a house/bungalow or houses on the site, bearing in mind it is adjacent to a bungalow. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:44am Thu 25 Jul 13

Jude TJ says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I think they should build a house/bungalow or houses on the site, bearing in mind it is adjacent to a bungalow.
Great Idea! Keeps the traders happy and a minute contribute to our housing shortfall win, win.

Until 1986 Garage and Bungalow were one, same land "dominant tenement". The latter only became adjacent when it was sold by Riders.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I think they should build a house/bungalow or houses on the site, bearing in mind it is adjacent to a bungalow.[/p][/quote]Great Idea! Keeps the traders happy and a minute contribute to our housing shortfall win, win. Until 1986 Garage and Bungalow were one, same land "dominant tenement". The latter only became adjacent when it was sold by Riders. Jude TJ
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