Visitors caught short are peeing against closed Helston public toilet wall

Caught short visitors to Helston are using the outside wall of shut public toilets to relieve themselves on.

This was news from Councillor Gillian Geer, a shop owner in the town who told her fellow members that people often complained to her about the situation.

“As a council and as a town we can’t have that. It turns out they are really well used – or at least should be really well used. At the moment people are using the area outside for whatever they should be doing inside,” she said.

“If we want a town people are proud of we really do not need people peeing behind a wall. Shopkeepers are witnessing it in that area.”

She urged the council to have one toilet re-opened immediately, which could be used by men and women, including the disabled, at whatever cost to the council, and then look at a way forward for the long-term once this had been done.

“I personally feel that some of the businesses in the area might wish to contribute to it,” she said. “People do need to go to the toilet and they can’t wait until they get to the Guildhall. It’s got to open.

“Like it or not, this council has got a long way to go to earn the respect of the people of Helston again. That toilet being open is a start.”

Town clerk Chris Dawson said the only way to have the toilet re-opened immediately would be to persuade Cornwall Council to do so. The town council would be unable to insure it without a lease agreement in place.

Councillor Ronnie Williams agreed with Mrs Geer, saying: “It is absolutely stinking around that area.”

He claimed that when choosing which toilets to keep open members were told the Trengrouse facilities were “in a very poor state of repair”, but he added: “That is far from the truth.”

Mr Williams alleged: “The building, gutted, is a perfect store for the county, no question. Close it down, have it as a store – that’s another problem got over.”

Clarifying this, clerk Mr Dawson said when Cornwall Council closed the toilets he had actually asked for the building to be leased to the town council, to use as storage.

Three weeks later he was told the storage idea was being put out to closed tender.

“I do feel that my idea has been used and will be put out there for gain,” he added.

Deputy mayor Mike Thomas said he was a member of the committee that spent “many, many hours” considering which toilets to close, at the insistence of Cornwall Council, and it was a decision “not taken lightly”.

But he added: “I have changed my mind and I would certainly wish to see that toilet open.”

New community network manager Maxine Hardy said Cornwall Council could ask contractors Cory to do a “deep clean” outside the toilets to prevent unpleasant odours. If the town wanted to “continue the conversation” with the council she would be happy to help with that.

It was unanimously agreed to contact Cornwall Council with a view to “the immediate re-opening of the toilets in Trengrouse Way.”

n Would you like to see the Trengrouse Way toilets reopened or been caught short at that end of the town? Have your say by commenting at thepacket.co.uk, email editorial@packetseries.co.uk or write to us at the usual address.

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10:21am Thu 27 Jun 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Just an idea but would not simply asking county to board up the entrance be the cheaper option.
Just an idea but would not simply asking county to board up the entrance be the cheaper option. ronedgcumbe
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4:32pm Thu 27 Jun 13

meerkats says...

so the HBIP and many volunteers etc work hard in getting the town looking nice ,which is being let down by people going toilet against the walls of the closed toilets creating a stink ,lovely in the hot weather i think not !! Its like two steps forward and one step back at the moment . The toilets should be opened immediately ,it will put people off visiting if they have nowhere to go.
so the HBIP and many volunteers etc work hard in getting the town looking nice ,which is being let down by people going toilet against the walls of the closed toilets creating a stink ,lovely in the hot weather i think not !! Its like two steps forward and one step back at the moment . The toilets should be opened immediately ,it will put people off visiting if they have nowhere to go. meerkats
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9:47pm Thu 27 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I don't know why they don't demolish the building and site one or more unisex self cleaning pay on entry toilets on the site.
I don't know why they don't demolish the building and site one or more unisex self cleaning pay on entry toilets on the site. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:04pm Thu 27 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

It was predictable this problem would occur if one closed toilets and left the building unaltered in situ. Cleaning will be an ongoing expense if the situation is not addressed and will become a health and safety hazard. Two of the main things I always maintained that supermarkets have the benefit over town centres with, are free parking and 21st century clean toilets. Bearing in mind the bus stops outside the Trengrouse Way toilets for people arriving into the town it would make sense to have available toilets there. If it is not a financial option then do something constructive with the building to deter this. Is the CCTV not focused on the area, after all it is an offence on most occasions. Perhaps local PCSOs could pay attention to the area when on foot patrol within the town.
It was predictable this problem would occur if one closed toilets and left the building unaltered in situ. Cleaning will be an ongoing expense if the situation is not addressed and will become a health and safety hazard. Two of the main things I always maintained that supermarkets have the benefit over town centres with, are free parking and 21st century clean toilets. Bearing in mind the bus stops outside the Trengrouse Way toilets for people arriving into the town it would make sense to have available toilets there. If it is not a financial option then do something constructive with the building to deter this. Is the CCTV not focused on the area, after all it is an offence on most occasions. Perhaps local PCSOs could pay attention to the area when on foot patrol within the town. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:16pm Thu 27 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think that is really unprofessional of Cornwall Council to hijack the idea from the Town Clerk Mr Dawson regarding using the building for storage. If Cornwall Council could not initiate their own ideas and put them into action within a reasonable time scale after closure of the toilets then in my view they should have had the decency to honour Mr Dawson's suggestion.
I think that is really unprofessional of Cornwall Council to hijack the idea from the Town Clerk Mr Dawson regarding using the building for storage. If Cornwall Council could not initiate their own ideas and put them into action within a reasonable time scale after closure of the toilets then in my view they should have had the decency to honour Mr Dawson's suggestion. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:44am Fri 28 Jun 13

ronedgcumbe says...

I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option. ronedgcumbe
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10:09am Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :) Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:37pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now. meerkats
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2:13pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now.
Lol, I like it, great idea meerkats. Or they could plant 'Lav' ender.
They could have it as a rememberence garden and people could sit there and remember when there used to be toilets and when Cornwall Council used to give the town councils more money.

I still think it is bad that Cornwall Council did not offer the building to the town council based on the town clerks suggestion. I wonder who the portfolio holder is for 'closing toilets and abducting town council ideas' because I would like to contact them.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now.[/p][/quote]Lol, I like it, great idea meerkats. Or they could plant 'Lav' ender. They could have it as a rememberence garden and people could sit there and remember when there used to be toilets and when Cornwall Council used to give the town councils more money. I still think it is bad that Cornwall Council did not offer the building to the town council based on the town clerks suggestion. I wonder who the portfolio holder is for 'closing toilets and abducting town council ideas' because I would like to contact them. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:18pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now.
Lol, I like it, great idea meerkats. Or they could plant 'Lav' ender.
They could have it as a rememberence garden and people could sit there and remember when there used to be toilets and when Cornwall Council used to give the town councils more money.

I still think it is bad that Cornwall Council did not offer the building to the town council based on the town clerks suggestion. I wonder who the portfolio holder is for 'closing toilets and abducting town council ideas' because I would like to contact them.
I am sure if you keep looking as to who the portfolio holder is you will flush them out.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea Gill, the Public could use it at their convenience at what used to be a Public convenience.!! lol Maybe they could plant peeonys ,i know i spelt it wrong ,but it links to the toilet article. ok i,ll stop now.[/p][/quote]Lol, I like it, great idea meerkats. Or they could plant 'Lav' ender. They could have it as a rememberence garden and people could sit there and remember when there used to be toilets and when Cornwall Council used to give the town councils more money. I still think it is bad that Cornwall Council did not offer the building to the town council based on the town clerks suggestion. I wonder who the portfolio holder is for 'closing toilets and abducting town council ideas' because I would like to contact them.[/p][/quote]I am sure if you keep looking as to who the portfolio holder is you will flush them out. meerkats
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2:32pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.
Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:37pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Random comment, what's with all this 'show biz news' on the website between the article and the comments box? I have to scroll down on my phone for about half a mile from the article to get to the comment box.
Random comment, what's with all this 'show biz news' on the website between the article and the comments box? I have to scroll down on my phone for about half a mile from the article to get to the comment box. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:50pm Fri 28 Jun 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets. ronedgcumbe
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3:37pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.
lol
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.[/p][/quote]lol meerkats
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3:44pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.
lol
probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call. meerkats
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3:48pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
I tend to remember what most people say :)
I'm fairly observant too. It comes in useful sometimes.

Helston is looking really good at the moment, it would be a shame for it all to go down the pan just because of some disused toilets spoiling the look of the area.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.[/p][/quote]I tend to remember what most people say :) I'm fairly observant too. It comes in useful sometimes. Helston is looking really good at the moment, it would be a shame for it all to go down the pan just because of some disused toilets spoiling the look of the area. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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3:49pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.[/p][/quote]Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town? meerkats
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3:59pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.
lol
probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call.
Lol, I still think we could 'go' continental and use the toilet facilities in the cafes and pubs and people could donate/charge money towards their usage.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call.[/p][/quote]Lol, I still think we could 'go' continental and use the toilet facilities in the cafes and pubs and people could donate/charge money towards their usage. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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4:16pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.
lol
probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call.
Lol, I still think we could 'go' continental and use the toilet facilities in the cafes and pubs and people could donate/charge money towards their usage.
That would be a good idea re using toilets in cafes and pubs etc, that way everyone benefits .
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Lol, yes and when I do I'll email them in 'loo' of a phone call.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]probably of more convenience to you to email and not spend pennies on a phone call.[/p][/quote]Lol, I still think we could 'go' continental and use the toilet facilities in the cafes and pubs and people could donate/charge money towards their usage.[/p][/quote]That would be a good idea re using toilets in cafes and pubs etc, that way everyone benefits . meerkats
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4:55pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?
Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.[/p][/quote]Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?[/p][/quote]Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:38pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?
Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong.
Ok thanks Gill ,just wondered . i like them and plants in the ground also .
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.[/p][/quote]Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?[/p][/quote]Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong.[/p][/quote]Ok thanks Gill ,just wondered . i like them and plants in the ground also . meerkats
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7:08pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.
If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)
Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.
Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?
Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong.
Ok thanks Gill ,just wondered . i like them and plants in the ground also .
I like hanging baskets too. I wouldn't have any myself anymore though because last time I had one it fell on my head and I fell onto the patio, and so my neighbour leant over the fence to see if I was alright and knocked the top off my bird table that was next to fence and that hit me on the head.
Had my head checked at the Drs and he said it was ok, alright for him though its not him that has to put up with my brain. So now I'm playing safe and just enjoy other people's hanging baskets.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think if the money to reopen is not available then demolition would be the best option.[/p][/quote]If they demolished them then they could make it into a garden area with benches, flowers in the ground and not in hanging baskets :)[/p][/quote]Great idea. Fancy you remembering that I cant stand hanging baskets.[/p][/quote]Do you not like hanging baskets at all then Ron ,or just that you think they are a waste of money in the town?[/p][/quote]Ron said in the past he doesn't like hanging baskets and that flowers should be in the ground where they belong.[/p][/quote]Ok thanks Gill ,just wondered . i like them and plants in the ground also .[/p][/quote]I like hanging baskets too. I wouldn't have any myself anymore though because last time I had one it fell on my head and I fell onto the patio, and so my neighbour leant over the fence to see if I was alright and knocked the top off my bird table that was next to fence and that hit me on the head. Had my head checked at the Drs and he said it was ok, alright for him though its not him that has to put up with my brain. So now I'm playing safe and just enjoy other people's hanging baskets. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:43pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

Gos double whammy ,one knock to the head is enough, other peoples hanging baskets may faff ,so still be careful lol
Gos double whammy ,one knock to the head is enough, other peoples hanging baskets may faff ,so still be careful lol meerkats
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7:46pm Fri 28 Jun 13

meerkats says...

gosh not gos . fall off not faff , another bad keyboard ,day, fingers working quicker than brain . think i must have had a knock to my head. !!
gosh not gos . fall off not faff , another bad keyboard ,day, fingers working quicker than brain . think i must have had a knock to my head. !! meerkats
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8:14pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Yes but I doubt other people's hanging baskets have big heavy rocks in the bottom of them designed to stop the wind swinging them so much lol
Well hopefully the Helston ones are secure !!!
Yes but I doubt other people's hanging baskets have big heavy rocks in the bottom of them designed to stop the wind swinging them so much lol Well hopefully the Helston ones are secure !!! Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:24pm Fri 28 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think Cornwall Councillor Jeremy Rowe needs to sort this out, the toilets I mean, as he is the portfolio holder for devolution and localism.
I think Cornwall Councillor Jeremy Rowe needs to sort this out, the toilets I mean, as he is the portfolio holder for devolution and localism. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:30am Sun 30 Jun 13

telstar1962 says...

The idea of the public using the toilets of privately-owned businesses in return for a donation sounds fine.

It is the Council's responsibility to provide good quality Public Conveniences. ( The clue is in the name)

How many business owners in Helston would want a steady stream of people coming in to their premises,solely to use the toilet. And the owner has the added task of extra cleaning and maintenance.

If it were such a good idea,then the Councillor would be inviting these people into her shop (but she is not)

If you have owned or own a shop,then you would not be putting this suggestion forward as a solution.

The Town can proudly rebuild the Old/New Cattle Market at a cost approaching £2m,and grants can be unearthed for painting shop fronts,and even for signage of relocated premises,so then funds should be found to provide adequate Public Conveniences. The Supermarket bosses on the outskirts of Town will be reading this and be thinking who are the muppets running the Town Centre.
The idea of the public using the toilets of privately-owned businesses in return for a donation sounds fine. It is the Council's responsibility to provide good quality Public Conveniences. ( The clue is in the name) How many business owners in Helston would want a steady stream of people coming in to their premises,solely to use the toilet. And the owner has the added task of extra cleaning and maintenance. If it were such a good idea,then the Councillor would be inviting these people into her shop (but she is not) If you have owned or own a shop,then you would not be putting this suggestion forward as a solution. The Town can proudly rebuild the Old/New Cattle Market at a cost approaching £2m,and grants can be unearthed for painting shop fronts,and even for signage of relocated premises,so then funds should be found to provide adequate Public Conveniences. The Supermarket bosses on the outskirts of Town will be reading this and be thinking who are the muppets running the Town Centre. telstar1962
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11:41am Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I suggested cafes and pubs let the public use their toilets for a financial contribution not non food establishments. If there was a steady stream of people wanting the toilets then that would suggest that Helstons footfall rate is tremendous and there is currently no problem attracting people to shop in the town. Bearing in mind there will still be the Guildhall toilets and the Monument toilets available, I would not envisage a steady stream of non patrons wanting to use the cafes and pubs toilets within other parts of the town.

If I owned a cafe or pub I would still be putting this forward as a suggestion but then I may be more obliging than some people and not so worried about buying a little extra toilet paper. I had two outside lights installed on one property I lived in for the benefit of all who used the two pathways adjacent to it as the council would not install street lamps, I did not however ask the local residents to contribute to the cost of the lamps or the electrician nor did I ask for contributions for the use of electricity. The lights were left on throughout the hours of darkness every day. I did this after listening to many people's complaints about the lack of lighting on the footpaths at night.
I suggested cafes and pubs let the public use their toilets for a financial contribution not non food establishments. If there was a steady stream of people wanting the toilets then that would suggest that Helstons footfall rate is tremendous and there is currently no problem attracting people to shop in the town. Bearing in mind there will still be the Guildhall toilets and the Monument toilets available, I would not envisage a steady stream of non patrons wanting to use the cafes and pubs toilets within other parts of the town. If I owned a cafe or pub I would still be putting this forward as a suggestion but then I may be more obliging than some people and not so worried about buying a little extra toilet paper. I had two outside lights installed on one property I lived in for the benefit of all who used the two pathways adjacent to it as the council would not install street lamps, I did not however ask the local residents to contribute to the cost of the lamps or the electrician nor did I ask for contributions for the use of electricity. The lights were left on throughout the hours of darkness every day. I did this after listening to many people's complaints about the lack of lighting on the footpaths at night. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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11:43am Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally it is not the councils responsibility to provide toilets, as they have no statuary duty to do so.
Incidentally it is not the councils responsibility to provide toilets, as they have no statuary duty to do so. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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11:49am Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

My last post should have said the council has no Statutory obligation to provide toilets.

(Predictive text is having a laugh at my expense)
My last post should have said the council has no Statutory obligation to provide toilets. (Predictive text is having a laugh at my expense) Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:23pm Sun 30 Jun 13

telstar1962 says...

My post should read that in my opinion the local council/authority should have a responsibility to provide Public Conveniences.

I am well aware there is no legal obligation on local authorities in the United Kingdom to provide public toilets, although recently the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee called for a duty on local authorities to develop a public toilet strategy, this was rejected by the last Labour Government in 2008.(wiki)(lol)

Gillian may be putting it forward as a suggestion,but the economics of the situation would be that in the long term it would cost the business owner more in time and money and hassle.

My previous comment stands,in that the local community can build wonderful new buildings with grants from all and sundry, businesses have grants and funding to make their shop fronts look nice, so therefore money should be found to provide one of the basic necessities of a successful Town Centre.

I wonder what Ms Portas thinks about this ? lol
My post should read that in my opinion the local council/authority should have a responsibility to provide Public Conveniences. I am well aware there is no legal obligation on local authorities in the United Kingdom to provide public toilets, although recently the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee called for a duty on local authorities to develop a public toilet strategy, this was rejected by the last Labour Government in 2008.(wiki)(lol) Gillian may be putting it forward as a suggestion,but the economics of the situation would be that in the long term it would cost the business owner more in time and money and hassle. My previous comment stands,in that the local community can build wonderful new buildings with grants from all and sundry, businesses have grants and funding to make their shop fronts look nice, so therefore money should be found to provide one of the basic necessities of a successful Town Centre. I wonder what Ms Portas thinks about this ? lol telstar1962
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6:30pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I do agree telstar, the business owners probably wouldn't like the idea and it could cause problems, it wasn't one my category A ideas, more like in an A to C chart, C.
In line with my honesty policy, I will admit that I actually didn't think for one minute that you thought councils had any legal obligation, I was just clarifying it.
I have always said toilets should be a priority in a town.
That's why I originally suggested a long time ago that long term it would be cheaper to have pay on entry unisex/disabled self cleaning toilets.
I do agree telstar, the business owners probably wouldn't like the idea and it could cause problems, it wasn't one my category A ideas, more like in an A to C chart, C. In line with my honesty policy, I will admit that I actually didn't think for one minute that you thought councils had any legal obligation, I was just clarifying it. I have always said toilets should be a priority in a town. That's why I originally suggested a long time ago that long term it would be cheaper to have pay on entry unisex/disabled self cleaning toilets. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:03pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally the local authority has appeared to have developed a strategy on public toilets.

To ignore the public, close lots of them, have a health and safety issue arise (I and probably lots of others predicted the cleaning issue that would arise) and then re open some of them.

I really do wonder sometimes about some people's logic and priorities, like the rail operating company managers that decided to not have barrier staff any longer on entry/exit to stations. The idea being to cut down on staff and save money and leave the barriers open, I raised the issue that no one would bother buying any tickets any longer, as it is easy enough to avoid the revenue staff that work randomly on board the trains. About Six months later the managers decided 'oh dear the revenue has dropped dramatically, no one seems to be buying any tickets' and promptly put staff back on the barriers.
When cost cutting, there is in my opinion some things you just cannot 'do away with' and toilets are one of them. For a high street to survive it needs toilets.
Incidentally the local authority has appeared to have developed a strategy on public toilets. To ignore the public, close lots of them, have a health and safety issue arise (I and probably lots of others predicted the cleaning issue that would arise) and then re open some of them. I really do wonder sometimes about some people's logic and priorities, like the rail operating company managers that decided to not have barrier staff any longer on entry/exit to stations. The idea being to cut down on staff and save money and leave the barriers open, I raised the issue that no one would bother buying any tickets any longer, as it is easy enough to avoid the revenue staff that work randomly on board the trains. About Six months later the managers decided 'oh dear the revenue has dropped dramatically, no one seems to be buying any tickets' and promptly put staff back on the barriers. When cost cutting, there is in my opinion some things you just cannot 'do away with' and toilets are one of them. For a high street to survive it needs toilets. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:32pm Sun 30 Jun 13

telstar1962 says...

I seem to remember that about 12 months ago or so,Helston Town Council had a meeting where the public were not allowed to speak,and the Council decided that Toilet facilities were not considered for spending any of the £250,000 Public Realm monies.

If the Town is going to win a prize in a National competition,and the idea is to attract more people here,don't you think that this problem should be reconsidered by the Town Council

The clerk seems to be saying that Cornwall Council own the toilet in question.If that's the case,why isn't the building transferred into the name of the Town Council for a nominal fee,and the Town could then be responsible for the upkeep of it.

A charity event could be held to raise funds,and applications could be made to the European Union ,Charities,local wealthy landowners and landlords etc etc for grant funding
I seem to remember that about 12 months ago or so,Helston Town Council had a meeting where the public were not allowed to speak,and the Council decided that Toilet facilities were not considered for spending any of the £250,000 Public Realm monies. If the Town is going to win a prize in a National competition,and the idea is to attract more people here,don't you think that this problem should be reconsidered by the Town Council The clerk seems to be saying that Cornwall Council own the toilet in question.If that's the case,why isn't the building transferred into the name of the Town Council for a nominal fee,and the Town could then be responsible for the upkeep of it. A charity event could be held to raise funds,and applications could be made to the European Union ,Charities,local wealthy landowners and landlords etc etc for grant funding telstar1962
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7:54pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

As far as I believed/remembered most toilets do belong to Cornwall Council and the town councils can lease them for a nominal fee, when Cornwall Council wanted to transfer responsibility of toilets to town/parish councils they had to agree to take them on and if they did, my understanding was that they would receive a grant to refurbish them and I think in some cases a certain amount towards the upkeep for the the next year or two. So I believe that Helston chose not to take over the Trengrouse ones from Cornwall Council and only the Monument and the Guildhall ones.
I agree it would make sense to use some of the money, however, there is not that much left is there ? Two hundred and something thousand isn't it?
As far as I believed/remembered most toilets do belong to Cornwall Council and the town councils can lease them for a nominal fee, when Cornwall Council wanted to transfer responsibility of toilets to town/parish councils they had to agree to take them on and if they did, my understanding was that they would receive a grant to refurbish them and I think in some cases a certain amount towards the upkeep for the the next year or two. So I believe that Helston chose not to take over the Trengrouse ones from Cornwall Council and only the Monument and the Guildhall ones. I agree it would make sense to use some of the money, however, there is not that much left is there ? Two hundred and something thousand isn't it? Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:57pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

£251,352.00 at the point it was transferred to Helston town council from Cornwall Council.
£251,352.00 at the point it was transferred to Helston town council from Cornwall Council. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:01pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I didn't think they were allowed to use the 106 money for toilets though.
I didn't think they were allowed to use the 106 money for toilets though. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:07pm Sun 30 Jun 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally telstar what is the point in going to a meeting where you are not allowed to speak lol perhaps you could text the Councillors during the meeting lol
Incidentally telstar what is the point in going to a meeting where you are not allowed to speak lol perhaps you could text the Councillors during the meeting lol Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:16pm Mon 1 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

Yes Gill, I'm all in favour of modern technology (as my pseudonym would suggest)
Yes Gill, I'm all in favour of modern technology (as my pseudonym would suggest) telstar1962
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