Helston area election results round-up: COUNTY, TOWN + PARISH

Cornwall Council:

With the status quo maintained in Helston and the Lizard for the majority of Cornwall Council seats, there was one notable shock.

In a spectacular fall from grace, Alec Robertson has gone from hero to zero, going from the leader of Cornwall Council to losing his seat in just over six months.

Conservative Mr Robertson polled 494 votes in Helston North but it was not enough to beat Independent Phil Martin, who took 590 votes to secure the seat - that was really only ever going to be a two horse race.

Mr Robertson was ousted as council leader by secret ballot in October, with 63 votes in favour of the motion to remove him and 49 votes against.

Councillor Bob Egerton, openness and transparency champion, proposed the leader’s removal following his decision to push ahead with the part-privatisation of council services against the wishes of the majority of council members.

No such surprises in the Helston South division however, where incumbent Judith Haycock won with a strong majority, polling 427 votes. Her closest rival, Liberal Democrat John Martin, was never going to catch her with 215 votes.

One of the largest majorities of the day was polled by Porthleven and Helston West candidate Andy Wallis, who eased back into his seat with a whopping 706 votes - 65 per cent of the total. Conservative Liz Lane came second with only 189 votes, so there was only ever going to be one winner.

A similar result could be found in Crowan and Wendron, where Loveday Jenkin retained her place on the council with 751 votes, a majority of more than 460.

Out on the Lizard Peninsula there was almost a shock when the Green Party came close to winning their first ever seat there through Dominic Brandreth polling 502 votes.

But it was not close enough to catch Conservative Walter Sanger, who retained the St Keverne and Meneage seat with 631 votes.

There was happy news for newly Independent Carolyn Rule as well. She resigned in protest from the Conservative Party in March but retained her Mullion seat regardless, taking 577 votes – 236 more than UKIP’s Nina Sutherland who came second.

Finally, with only two candidates for Breage, Germoe and Sithney, it was always going to be an interesting result. In the end Conservative John Keeling retained the seat with 562, ahead of UKIP’s Michael Mahon who polled 458.

Town and Parish Councils:

Helston:

Two wards were contested at Helston Town Council. The West Ward was uncontested with Nicola Boase and Justine Hornsby elected.

In the North Ward Nicola Roberts (Ind) with 621 votes, John Boase (Ind) with 522 votes, Lloyd Harris with 500 votes, Jonathan Radford-Gaby (Con) with 468 votes and Mike Thomas (Lib Dem) with 401 votes have been elected.
Turnout - 36% 
Niall Devenish (339 votes) has lost his seat.

In the South Ward Ronnie Williams (Ind) with 460 votes, Gillian Geer (Ind) with 402 votes, John Martin (Lib Dem) with 398 votes, Martine Knight (Ind) with 367 votes and Mark Upton (Ind) with 333 votes have been elected.
Turnout - 27% 

Porthleven:

Porthleven Town Council was uncontested. Mark Berryman, Susan Johns, Barbara Powell, Andrew Wallis (Ind), Danny Williams, Liz Lane and Brian Michael have been elected. Two seats remain to be filled.

St Keverne and Coverack:

St Keverne Parish Council was uncontested. Elected in Coverack Ward are Robert Beadle (Ind), Roger Combe, Bill Frisken (Ind) and Sarah Lyne.

In the St Keverne Ward are Michael Anselmi (Ind), Dominic Brandreth (Green), Tony Carey, Russell Hocking, Derek Kevern, David Lambrick (Ind), Alec Peters, Anthony Richards and Roger Richards.

St Martin:

St Martin-in-Meneage Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Johnny Alston, Andrew Bray, William Bryant, James Coupar, William (Brindley) Hosken, Philip Jenkin and Mike West.

Mawgan:

Mawgan-in-Meneage Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Vivian Benney, Colin Chapman, John Hatton, Lindsay Hockley, Shaun Lock, Pearl Merton, Christopher Roberts, Kevin Roberts and Dot Spragg. One seat remains to be filled.

Manaccan:

Manaccan Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Daniel Flunder, Raymond Knight, Peter Norton, Virginia Richardson, JC Skewes, Angela Wood and Lionel Wood.

Gweek:

Gweek Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Kevin Allon, Judith Brickhill, Diane Cash (Ind), Tristan Mackie (Ind), Paddy Sanders and Peter Williams. One seat remains to be filled.

Landewednack:

Landewednack Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Jeremy Allerton, Barry Browning, Zena Browning, Velvyn Burt, Colin Hendy, Thora Hill and Anthony Muller. Three seats remain to be filled.

Mullion:

Mullion Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Dave German, Anthony Gilbert, Ian Harvey, Shirley Ireland, John Lang, Sue Ormond, Carolyn Rule, Peter Wilkins, Roger Willey and David Williams.

Cury:

Cury Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Adrian Boaden, Reuben Curnow, Aidan Murray, Priscilla Oates and Robert Wright. Two seats remain to be filled.

Grade Ruan

Grade Ruan Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Michael Alford (Ind), Paul Collins, Carol Cooper, Michael Fleetwood, Peter Freeman (Ind), Nigel Green (Ind), Jeb Preston and John Trewin. Four seats remain to be filled.

Breage

Breage Parish Council was uncontested. Elected are Tony Ackland, Jan Anthony (Ind), Tony Best, Tanis Board, Howard Bradford (Ind), Simon Caddick (MK), Philippa Darby, Carole Rashleigh and Rose Wyvern. Three seats remain to be filled.

Sithney:

Sithney Parish Council was uncontested. Elected in the Lowertown Ward is Ian Paterson (Ind).

Elected in the Sithney Ward are Peter Bickford-Smit, Brian Deacon, Phil Martin (Ind), Michael Morgans (Ind), Ann Pascoe (Ind) and Elizabeth Williams. Two seats remain to be filled in this ward.

Wendron:

Wendron Parish Council was uncontested. Elected in the Trewennack Ward are Dinah Mitchell and Nick Van Den Berg.

Elected in the Wendron Ward are Peter Davidson, Sharon Hook, Ronald Mitchell, Sheila Moyle, Marie Nute and Marion Warren. Seven seats remain to be filled in this ward.

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5:17pm Fri 3 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Congratulations to Councillor Andrew Wallis, Councillor Judith Haycock and Phil Martin.
Congratulations to Councillor Andrew Wallis, Councillor Judith Haycock and Phil Martin. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:26pm Fri 3 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Congratulations to Carolyn Rule X
Thank you to everyone who voted for her.
For all you people in Mullion with no letter boxes, apologies for the leaflet drop onto your garden patio tables and chairs.
Congratulations to Carolyn Rule X Thank you to everyone who voted for her. For all you people in Mullion with no letter boxes, apologies for the leaflet drop onto your garden patio tables and chairs. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:48pm Fri 3 May 13

Helston Observer says...

A great shame that Alec Robertson did not regain his seat. Party politics aside, he was a councillor of honesty and integrity and he steered Cornwall Council through some very rocky patches. I don't know the new man at all, but I hope he's good, because he has some very big shoes to fill in the departure of Alec. Good on you, Alec, thank you for everything you did for Cornwall.
A great shame that Alec Robertson did not regain his seat. Party politics aside, he was a councillor of honesty and integrity and he steered Cornwall Council through some very rocky patches. I don't know the new man at all, but I hope he's good, because he has some very big shoes to fill in the departure of Alec. Good on you, Alec, thank you for everything you did for Cornwall. Helston Observer
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6:07pm Fri 3 May 13

Mrs Smythe says...

Helston Observer wrote:
A great shame that Alec Robertson did not regain his seat. Party politics aside, he was a councillor of honesty and integrity and he steered Cornwall Council through some very rocky patches. I don't know the new man at all, but I hope he's good, because he has some very big shoes to fill in the departure of Alec. Good on you, Alec, thank you for everything you did for Cornwall.
I have to agree. Cllr Robertson was respected within the Helston community and was a very active and helpful representative. I think it is a big shame he hasn't been re-elected so Cllr Martin, you have a lot of work to do but I wish you all the best.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: A great shame that Alec Robertson did not regain his seat. Party politics aside, he was a councillor of honesty and integrity and he steered Cornwall Council through some very rocky patches. I don't know the new man at all, but I hope he's good, because he has some very big shoes to fill in the departure of Alec. Good on you, Alec, thank you for everything you did for Cornwall.[/p][/quote]I have to agree. Cllr Robertson was respected within the Helston community and was a very active and helpful representative. I think it is a big shame he hasn't been re-elected so Cllr Martin, you have a lot of work to do but I wish you all the best. Mrs Smythe
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6:57pm Fri 3 May 13

meerkats says...

Congratulations to Andrew Wallis.
Congratulations to Andrew Wallis. meerkats
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7:40pm Fri 3 May 13

Tyrone Shulace says...

Congratulations to Phil Martin, I am sure you know exactly what work is involved without anyone condescendingly telling you. I voted for you, and I am sure you will do a brilliant job alongside Judith Haycock and Andrew Wallis who are also both great councillors.

There is nothing stopping Alec Robertson still helping the town just because he is no longer a councillor.

While we are on the subject of the town, maybe some of the business people that preach about supporting the town shops would do well to take some of their own advice, instead of pushing a trolley round Tesco early in the morning.
Congratulations to Phil Martin, I am sure you know exactly what work is involved without anyone condescendingly telling you. I voted for you, and I am sure you will do a brilliant job alongside Judith Haycock and Andrew Wallis who are also both great councillors. There is nothing stopping Alec Robertson still helping the town just because he is no longer a councillor. While we are on the subject of the town, maybe some of the business people that preach about supporting the town shops would do well to take some of their own advice, instead of pushing a trolley round Tesco early in the morning. Tyrone Shulace
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8:06pm Fri 3 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Congratulations to all those elected to Helston Town Council.
Congratulations to all those elected to Helston Town Council. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:10pm Fri 3 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Porthleven Town Council and Mullion Parish Council which were both uncontested, I am sure all councillors original and recently joined, will continue with the excellent work they already do.
Porthleven Town Council and Mullion Parish Council which were both uncontested, I am sure all councillors original and recently joined, will continue with the excellent work they already do. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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12:06am Sat 4 May 13

Lanty Slee says...

Seven seats are empty on Wendron Parish Council?

That's ridiculous!
Seven seats are empty on Wendron Parish Council? That's ridiculous! Lanty Slee
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6:38am Sat 4 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.
Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote. ronedgcumbe
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6:45am Sat 4 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Well done Phil Martin you almost restored my faith in democracy.
Well done Phil Martin you almost restored my faith in democracy. ronedgcumbe
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8:31am Sat 4 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree Ron, the turn out for voting was poor in general. I think anyone that did not bother voting should not bother complaining about Cornwall Council or any of the town councils.
I agree Ron, the turn out for voting was poor in general. I think anyone that did not bother voting should not bother complaining about Cornwall Council or any of the town councils. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:20pm Sat 4 May 13

TheOriginaDelboy says...

Tyrone Shulace wrote:
Congratulations to Phil Martin, I am sure you know exactly what work is involved without anyone condescendingly telling you. I voted for you, and I am sure you will do a brilliant job alongside Judith Haycock and Andrew Wallis who are also both great councillors.

There is nothing stopping Alec Robertson still helping the town just because he is no longer a councillor.

While we are on the subject of the town, maybe some of the business people that preach about supporting the town shops would do well to take some of their own advice, instead of pushing a trolley round Tesco early in the morning.
Tyrone,

I think you'll find most business owners use the local supermarkets. I don't think anyone has ever said they do not, neither have we advised people not to.

The vast spending power these places have make them the obvious place to shop for many things because the shops in town cannot compete and at the stated early time of day are probably not even open.

Most business owners do not shop in supermarkets under the cover of darkness so if you visit them during the day you'll probably see more.

I suspect the person you saw was probably shopping at that time of day because it's the only chance they get before work or after and there is nothing more sinister than that.
[quote][p][bold]Tyrone Shulace[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Phil Martin, I am sure you know exactly what work is involved without anyone condescendingly telling you. I voted for you, and I am sure you will do a brilliant job alongside Judith Haycock and Andrew Wallis who are also both great councillors. There is nothing stopping Alec Robertson still helping the town just because he is no longer a councillor. While we are on the subject of the town, maybe some of the business people that preach about supporting the town shops would do well to take some of their own advice, instead of pushing a trolley round Tesco early in the morning.[/p][/quote]Tyrone, I think you'll find most business owners use the local supermarkets. I don't think anyone has ever said they do not, neither have we advised people not to. The vast spending power these places have make them the obvious place to shop for many things because the shops in town cannot compete and at the stated early time of day are probably not even open. Most business owners do not shop in supermarkets under the cover of darkness so if you visit them during the day you'll probably see more. I suspect the person you saw was probably shopping at that time of day because it's the only chance they get before work or after and there is nothing more sinister than that. TheOriginaDelboy
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1:56pm Sat 4 May 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.
Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.[/p][/quote]Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council. meerkats
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4:52pm Sat 4 May 13

helztonboy says...

how ever much the local business people would like to, or do shop, in town there are always things that, unfortunately, you can only get in the supermarkets. I was personally saddened to see that Olivers does not seem to be operating the butchery this week.
It was nice to see a few new faces get on the council, they appear to be the type of people that are enthusiastic about the town and not the wingers and moaners that we can do without.
how ever much the local business people would like to, or do shop, in town there are always things that, unfortunately, you can only get in the supermarkets. I was personally saddened to see that Olivers does not seem to be operating the butchery this week. It was nice to see a few new faces get on the council, they appear to be the type of people that are enthusiastic about the town and not the wingers and moaners that we can do without. helztonboy
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5:47pm Sat 4 May 13

meerkats says...

Olivers butchery dept has now closed ,which is a great shame, it was convenient there, Iknow there is Dales and Scorse still but they are not so handy if short on time.
Olivers butchery dept has now closed ,which is a great shame, it was convenient there, Iknow there is Dales and Scorse still but they are not so handy if short on time. meerkats
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7:17am Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Very sad to hear the news about Olivers. No butchers in the town centre is very bad news. They where always very handy for us to use.
Very sad to hear the news about Olivers. No butchers in the town centre is very bad news. They where always very handy for us to use. ronedgcumbe
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9:08am Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.
Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council.
Thanks for that meerkats, so near but yet so far. I had a feeling this would happen when I heard of the electoral system being used where people could vote for up to five people. It is a system where origonal and sometime controversal idea lose out and the status quo is maintained. I shall carry and take part in any bi elecction that may come up as I think under a first past the post election I would have performed better.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.[/p][/quote]Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that meerkats, so near but yet so far. I had a feeling this would happen when I heard of the electoral system being used where people could vote for up to five people. It is a system where origonal and sometime controversal idea lose out and the status quo is maintained. I shall carry and take part in any bi elecction that may come up as I think under a first past the post election I would have performed better. ronedgcumbe
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10:00am Sun 5 May 13

Tyrone Shulace says...

What is wrong with the towns business people supporting the in town shops such as Spar, Co-Op , butchers, greengrocers etc, I bet the reason some of the business people shop in Tesco is because it is cheaper, so how can they expect others to shop in the town or use the towns cafes when Tesco is cheaper and has free parking. Sainsburys has a value for money cafe too.
What is wrong with the towns business people supporting the in town shops such as Spar, Co-Op , butchers, greengrocers etc, I bet the reason some of the business people shop in Tesco is because it is cheaper, so how can they expect others to shop in the town or use the towns cafes when Tesco is cheaper and has free parking. Sainsburys has a value for money cafe too. Tyrone Shulace
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10:26am Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

I support the co op and see it staying as very important. It is easy for me to do this as it is very close by. Parking and tranport is the key to town centre rejuvination and this point needs grasping why we still can.
I support the co op and see it staying as very important. It is easy for me to do this as it is very close by. Parking and tranport is the key to town centre rejuvination and this point needs grasping why we still can. ronedgcumbe
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10:40am Sun 5 May 13

Tyrone Shulace says...

Shame you never got in Ron, try again mate. Dont give up.

As for helztonboy, the more digs you make at people the more bad publicity you are giving the town.

As for cleaning the town perhaps the person working in one of the shops that i have seen frequently throw their fag end in the kennels when there is a bin next to it near the bus stops may like to stop doing that. I have seen them on many occasions while waiting for the town bus.
Shame you never got in Ron, try again mate. Dont give up. As for helztonboy, the more digs you make at people the more bad publicity you are giving the town. As for cleaning the town perhaps the person working in one of the shops that i have seen frequently throw their fag end in the kennels when there is a bin next to it near the bus stops may like to stop doing that. I have seen them on many occasions while waiting for the town bus. Tyrone Shulace
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11:30am Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.
Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council.
Maybe the turnout would of been better if the polling stations where more convienient. I was impressed to see the new one at the cattle marking which was easy for parking. Could not something be arranged with tesco for next time to get people voting again.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Thanks to the people that voted for me I still think I could have turned the town back to as it was maybe niavly. A big shame on lovely sunny day only a quarter of the people could be bothered to vote.[/p][/quote]Shame you didnt get in Ron ,you would have been very good for the town. Unfortunately i am not in your "ward" ,else i would have voted for you . Very poor turnout for many areas i think , people didnt seem to bother ,and as Gill has already said ,those that didnt should not complain about things to CC or the Town council.[/p][/quote]Maybe the turnout would of been better if the polling stations where more convienient. I was impressed to see the new one at the cattle marking which was easy for parking. Could not something be arranged with tesco for next time to get people voting again. ronedgcumbe
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11:32am Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Sorry. Cattle market.
Sorry. Cattle market. ronedgcumbe
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5:54pm Sun 5 May 13

helztonboy says...

Tyrone, I was not having a did at anyone in particular, rather I was saying it was nice to see some positive people get on the council.

Ron, I was led to believe it was first past the post. Or first 5 past the post. There were 5 seats and 8 candidates, the five with the most votes got in. The voters could vote for up to 5 people, if they only wanted to vote for one they could.
How else could it be done?

As for low turn out, why not do as some other countries and make voting compulsory?
Tyrone, I was not having a did at anyone in particular, rather I was saying it was nice to see some positive people get on the council. Ron, I was led to believe it was first past the post. Or first 5 past the post. There were 5 seats and 8 candidates, the five with the most votes got in. The voters could vote for up to 5 people, if they only wanted to vote for one they could. How else could it be done? As for low turn out, why not do as some other countries and make voting compulsory? helztonboy
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9:55pm Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

When I decided to stand I was not aware of this voting system and presumed it was a first past the post election. This may have been in the election information but I cannot find this at home but feel that this important information should have been explained verbaly at the time as it is not the normal election process.
I believe during the the process I clearly had the support to win a place on council.
When I decided to stand I was not aware of this voting system and presumed it was a first past the post election. This may have been in the election information but I cannot find this at home but feel that this important information should have been explained verbaly at the time as it is not the normal election process. I believe during the the process I clearly had the support to win a place on council. ronedgcumbe
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10:10pm Sun 5 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

I am sure I had huge support in my area and should be elected. Questions need to be ask on why this election process was adopted and why the electorate where not properly informed.
I am sure I had huge support in my area and should be elected. Questions need to be ask on why this election process was adopted and why the electorate where not properly informed. ronedgcumbe
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3:16am Mon 6 May 13

helztonboy says...

Ron, but it was first past the post
those with the most votes got in.
how else could it work with 8 standing for 5 seats?
it was a completely normal voting system
the 3 that did not get in simply had less votes than those 5 who did
and therefore had less support!
I live in the South ward and received leaflets from 5 of the candidates explaining why I should vote for them, I also met 4 of them
how did you get your message to the 2500 ish voters there were?
Ron, but it was first past the post those with the most votes got in. how else could it work with 8 standing for 5 seats? it was a completely normal voting system the 3 that did not get in simply had less votes than those 5 who did and therefore had less support! I live in the South ward and received leaflets from 5 of the candidates explaining why I should vote for them, I also met 4 of them how did you get your message to the 2500 ish voters there were? helztonboy
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6:10am Mon 6 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

One person one vote is the norm I think you will find. I think the multiple vote system put me at a distinct disadvantage. I shall not say much more but will find out when this was adopted as I do not recall it many years ago at the last town election.
It is a system I do not like as it can lead to the formation of syndicates.
One person one vote is the norm I think you will find. I think the multiple vote system put me at a distinct disadvantage. I shall not say much more but will find out when this was adopted as I do not recall it many years ago at the last town election. It is a system I do not like as it can lead to the formation of syndicates. ronedgcumbe
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6:23am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ron, Town and Parish elections are always voted in the same way, it is just simply those candidates that receive the most votes are elected. You have twelve seats in Helston, five of which are in the South ward where you stood, therefore people in the South ward could vote for up to five people and which ever five got the most votes were elected. If you look at the voting numbers in the above article you will see in the North ward Mr Devenish lost his seat, that was because unfortunately he had less votes than the others all of which they show you in the article. They just haven't stated how many votes other candidates such as yourself got, if they had, then you would see that you received less votes than others on the South ward and therefore were not elected. I saw your election advert in the Packet, did you also leaflet every home in your ward? General practice is to leaflet every home, obviously it is not always practical to do them all yourself, particularly if you work, but other candidates usually get someone else to help them leaflet every home, also for you and your helper/s to speak to people to convince them to vote for you, It is after all, every vote that counts, even the most awkward homes in your ward to access should be leafleted.
I helped someone leaflet their area and discovered there were twelve different designs of gate catches, some not designed to be opened I think, but I did not let that defeat me. The aim is to make sure every resident in your ward knows you have made the effort to contact them and let them know your polices. It is hard work, but if you really want to be elected then it is worth it.
The voting procedure is fair and democratic and it is worth bearing
In mind that although some people may say they will vote for you unfortunately some people do actually change their minds when voting.
There is however nothing to preventing you trying to get onto Helston council in the future if and when a vacancy arises or at the next election, in the mean time you can still be involved with things in the town.
Ron, Town and Parish elections are always voted in the same way, it is just simply those candidates that receive the most votes are elected. You have twelve seats in Helston, five of which are in the South ward where you stood, therefore people in the South ward could vote for up to five people and which ever five got the most votes were elected. If you look at the voting numbers in the above article you will see in the North ward Mr Devenish lost his seat, that was because unfortunately he had less votes than the others all of which they show you in the article. They just haven't stated how many votes other candidates such as yourself got, if they had, then you would see that you received less votes than others on the South ward and therefore were not elected. I saw your election advert in the Packet, did you also leaflet every home in your ward? General practice is to leaflet every home, obviously it is not always practical to do them all yourself, particularly if you work, but other candidates usually get someone else to help them leaflet every home, also for you and your helper/s to speak to people to convince them to vote for you, It is after all, every vote that counts, even the most awkward homes in your ward to access should be leafleted. I helped someone leaflet their area and discovered there were twelve different designs of gate catches, some not designed to be opened I think, but I did not let that defeat me. The aim is to make sure every resident in your ward knows you have made the effort to contact them and let them know your polices. It is hard work, but if you really want to be elected then it is worth it. The voting procedure is fair and democratic and it is worth bearing In mind that although some people may say they will vote for you unfortunately some people do actually change their minds when voting. There is however nothing to preventing you trying to get onto Helston council in the future if and when a vacancy arises or at the next election, in the mean time you can still be involved with things in the town. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:43am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ron you only have one person one vote with the Cornwall Council elections per ward because there is only one seat available per ward, for example Porthleven Councillor Andrew Wallis was elected because he received the most votes and those that voted for him could only vote for him not someone else as well as there was only one seat to be filled. In Helston Town election there were twelve seats to be filled split between the wards, five in your ward so people could vote for five people. If each person was only allowed to vote for only one person then if they all happened to vote for the same person and nobody voted for anyone else at all then how would they fill the four remaining seats. Even if you had one vote per person and different people each voted for one of the eight different candidates and then you elected each candidate in order of number of votes it still would not mean you would be elected if not enough people voted for you. With five seats and eight candidates obviously three have to lose.
It was not a case of voting first second third choice etc it was was a case of just vote for up to any five candidates.
Ron you only have one person one vote with the Cornwall Council elections per ward because there is only one seat available per ward, for example Porthleven Councillor Andrew Wallis was elected because he received the most votes and those that voted for him could only vote for him not someone else as well as there was only one seat to be filled. In Helston Town election there were twelve seats to be filled split between the wards, five in your ward so people could vote for five people. If each person was only allowed to vote for only one person then if they all happened to vote for the same person and nobody voted for anyone else at all then how would they fill the four remaining seats. Even if you had one vote per person and different people each voted for one of the eight different candidates and then you elected each candidate in order of number of votes it still would not mean you would be elected if not enough people voted for you. With five seats and eight candidates obviously three have to lose. It was not a case of voting first second third choice etc it was was a case of just vote for up to any five candidates. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:54am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Meant to say 'it would still mean you would 'not' be elected if not enough people voted for you.

The thing is with five seats and eight candidates three have to lose. That is life I am afraid.
Meant to say 'it would still mean you would 'not' be elected if not enough people voted for you. The thing is with five seats and eight candidates three have to lose. That is life I am afraid. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:56am Mon 6 May 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Thanks for the reply. I do not wish to say anymore as I am in danger of appearing a bad loser which I am not. However I do have concerns which I wish to raise with the returning officer. For instance I was informed by a sitting councilor of a meeting at a local coffee shop that would be adventageuse for me to attend. I of course did not.
Thanks for the reply. I do not wish to say anymore as I am in danger of appearing a bad loser which I am not. However I do have concerns which I wish to raise with the returning officer. For instance I was informed by a sitting councilor of a meeting at a local coffee shop that would be adventageuse for me to attend. I of course did not. ronedgcumbe
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7:25am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ron it could be advantageous to find out the best ways to canvass etc at a meeting. The count for voting is official and the scrutiny committee are impartial.

If we were talking about Councillors being co-opted in at any time then I think it could be down to personal choice of those Councillors already in office but this was a fair election and those Councillors already in office had no guarantee that they themselves would be re elected.
Ron it could be advantageous to find out the best ways to canvass etc at a meeting. The count for voting is official and the scrutiny committee are impartial. If we were talking about Councillors being co-opted in at any time then I think it could be down to personal choice of those Councillors already in office but this was a fair election and those Councillors already in office had no guarantee that they themselves would be re elected. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:31am Mon 6 May 13

helztonboy says...

I believe a meeting was organised by some of the new candidates to which the existing councillors were invited, sounds like it would have been useful to go as you might have gained some useful info.

I agree with Gill, that this system is the norm for this type of election for multiple seats. As 5 seats needed filling you got to choose 5, no one was at any disadvantage it was not a PR system where you rated the choices 1 to 5 etc.

from the CC website
Edgcumbe Ronald 258
Geer Gillian 402 Elected
Grattan-Kane Timothy 222
Knight Martine 367 Elected
Martin John 398 Elected
Ring Christopher 242
Upton Mark 333 Elected
Williams Ronald 460 Elected

5 people got more votes than you
its a fair system is used throughout the country for this type of election.

and yes you are sounding like a bad loser!
I believe a meeting was organised by some of the new candidates to which the existing councillors were invited, sounds like it would have been useful to go as you might have gained some useful info. I agree with Gill, that this system is the norm for this type of election for multiple seats. As 5 seats needed filling you got to choose 5, no one was at any disadvantage it was not a PR system where you rated the choices 1 to 5 etc. from the CC website Edgcumbe Ronald 258 Geer Gillian 402 Elected Grattan-Kane Timothy 222 Knight Martine 367 Elected Martin John 398 Elected Ring Christopher 242 Upton Mark 333 Elected Williams Ronald 460 Elected 5 people got more votes than you its a fair system is used throughout the country for this type of election. and yes you are sounding like a bad loser! helztonboy
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7:57am Mon 6 May 13

helztonboy says...

if all you did was an advert in the paper and no leaflets then you have nothing to complain about. Not every house gets the paper! With over 2500 voters in Helston South how did you expect them all to know what you were standing for. They cant vote for you if you dont let them know why they should vote for you!

The election packs give you a list of every voter in the ward, did you use it??

Did you make sure that at least the postal voters had your info?
The normal turn out for town elections is low but most postal voters DO vote.
if all you did was an advert in the paper and no leaflets then you have nothing to complain about. Not every house gets the paper! With over 2500 voters in Helston South how did you expect them all to know what you were standing for. They cant vote for you if you dont let them know why they should vote for you! The election packs give you a list of every voter in the ward, did you use it?? Did you make sure that at least the postal voters had your info? The normal turn out for town elections is low but most postal voters DO vote. helztonboy
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8:10am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

If you wanted some experience as a councillor Ron, you could apply for Porthleven or Wendron they have spare seats and you presumably live within the three mile limit for those areas. Not much help I know if you want to be on Helston council but it would maybe give you a starting point to gain some experience. Having said that, I think one should have an interest in an area and spend some time there if they want to be on that areas council, so that they put the interests of that area first and are really committed to that area. You are lucky in as much as living in Helston the three mile rule still gives you many options.
If you wanted some experience as a councillor Ron, you could apply for Porthleven or Wendron they have spare seats and you presumably live within the three mile limit for those areas. Not much help I know if you want to be on Helston council but it would maybe give you a starting point to gain some experience. Having said that, I think one should have an interest in an area and spend some time there if they want to be on that areas council, so that they put the interests of that area first and are really committed to that area. You are lucky in as much as living in Helston the three mile rule still gives you many options. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:20am Mon 6 May 13

helztonboy says...

Gill, are you trying to say he would find an empty post in a village?
Gill, are you trying to say he would find an empty post in a village? helztonboy
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8:33am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

There are empty seats in some of the villages.
There are empty seats in some of the villages. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:37am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Seven in Wendron, two in Sithney, two in Porthleven etc.
Seven in Wendron, two in Sithney, two in Porthleven etc. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:09am Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

In all fairness, what I think Ron needs to ask himself, is that, had he been elected, would he still have now been questioning the voting system and any associated meetings etc.
In all fairness, what I think Ron needs to ask himself, is that, had he been elected, would he still have now been questioning the voting system and any associated meetings etc. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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4:23pm Mon 6 May 13

Mrs Smythe says...

The meeting Ron is talking about was advertised by Gillian Tubs in Meneage Street, it wasn't organised by the existing councillors. It was also advertised on Facebook and I think it was even in the paper (but not sure). It was an information session to let people who wanted to apply for HTC be aware of the procedure e.t.c. If you are serious about being a councillor the best thing you can do is go to council meetings and be involved with the community groups in Helston, not just post comments on this website :)
The meeting Ron is talking about was advertised by Gillian Tubs in Meneage Street, it wasn't organised by the existing councillors. It was also advertised on Facebook and I think it was even in the paper (but not sure). It was an information session to let people who wanted to apply for HTC be aware of the procedure e.t.c. If you are serious about being a councillor the best thing you can do is go to council meetings and be involved with the community groups in Helston, not just post comments on this website :) Mrs Smythe
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5:32pm Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Looking on the bright side Ron, you did have the most votes out of all those people that were not elected from your ward. They just didn't have enough seats. At least you tried, and it is not like you were the only one not to get voted in.
Looking on the bright side Ron, you did have the most votes out of all those people that were not elected from your ward. They just didn't have enough seats. At least you tried, and it is not like you were the only one not to get voted in. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:58am Tue 7 May 13

Helston Observer says...

This makes very interesting reading, and I have a couple of observations to make: first, I agree with GZM, I wonder whether Ron would be querying the electoral system quite so much had he been elected? I suspect not. Secondly, Ron is absolutely right, he is coming across as a bad loser. Thirdly, sticking a poorly worded ad in the local freebie (which suggested that existing councillors were "social climbers" and therefore was coming from a negative position) is not the way to wow the voters, I think. Ron, correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't bother sending out a leaflet, knocking on any doors, appearing in the street to talk to people, or even (I am reliably informed by someone I trust) turning up to any council meetings prior to the election to see what goes on. None of these things send a positive message to the people who you expect will vote for you.

Speaking purely as a bystander, if you wish to be elected next time, I would suggest you stop the negativity of constantly criticising those who give freely and generously of their time, don't imagine that a few comments on here are going to get you elected but instead, do what the others did by producing a leaflet and say what you WILL do of elected, not moaning about other people, stop appearing to be a bad loser when you don't win, and take a piece of your own advice to ex Cllr. Robertson - there is lots you can do for the town without being a councillor.

Seems to me the right result was delivered at this election - at the moment, you don't deserve to be elected, because you have done nothing to earn that position.
This makes very interesting reading, and I have a couple of observations to make: first, I agree with GZM, I wonder whether Ron would be querying the electoral system quite so much had he been elected? I suspect not. Secondly, Ron is absolutely right, he is coming across as a bad loser. Thirdly, sticking a poorly worded ad in the local freebie (which suggested that existing councillors were "social climbers" and therefore was coming from a negative position) is not the way to wow the voters, I think. Ron, correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't bother sending out a leaflet, knocking on any doors, appearing in the street to talk to people, or even (I am reliably informed by someone I trust) turning up to any council meetings prior to the election to see what goes on. None of these things send a positive message to the people who you expect will vote for you. Speaking purely as a bystander, if you wish to be elected next time, I would suggest you stop the negativity of constantly criticising those who give freely and generously of their time, don't imagine that a few comments on here are going to get you elected but instead, do what the others did by producing a leaflet and say what you WILL do of elected, not moaning about other people, stop appearing to be a bad loser when you don't win, and take a piece of your own advice to ex Cllr. Robertson - there is lots you can do for the town without being a councillor. Seems to me the right result was delivered at this election - at the moment, you don't deserve to be elected, because you have done nothing to earn that position. Helston Observer
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9:36am Tue 7 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree with Helston Observer regarding election leaflets/adverts, I actually saw Rons advert in the Packet, I don't get the free paper anyway.
I would always advocate promoting oneself on ones own merits and to never be derogatory about existing Councillors, whilst everyone is entitled to their own opinions and are free to publicly express them, (after all, anyone in public office is open to scrutiny by the public) I feel it is of no benefit to the electorate to be told what a prospective candidate feels about existing Councillors. As I have said in the past, presumably if one went for a job interview they would say why they would be good for the job not why the other applicants would not.

With reference to the meeting Ron was invited to and declined to attend, I am finding it hard to understand the logic of not attending.

Ron states he was informed of a meeting at a coffee shop, by a sitting councillor, and was told it would be advantageous for him to attend, could Ron have not asked what the meeting was for, or could the sitting councillor not have told Ron what the meeting was for maybe.
I agree with Helston Observer regarding election leaflets/adverts, I actually saw Rons advert in the Packet, I don't get the free paper anyway. I would always advocate promoting oneself on ones own merits and to never be derogatory about existing Councillors, whilst everyone is entitled to their own opinions and are free to publicly express them, (after all, anyone in public office is open to scrutiny by the public) I feel it is of no benefit to the electorate to be told what a prospective candidate feels about existing Councillors. As I have said in the past, presumably if one went for a job interview they would say why they would be good for the job not why the other applicants would not. With reference to the meeting Ron was invited to and declined to attend, I am finding it hard to understand the logic of not attending. Ron states he was informed of a meeting at a coffee shop, by a sitting councillor, and was told it would be advantageous for him to attend, could Ron have not asked what the meeting was for, or could the sitting councillor not have told Ron what the meeting was for maybe. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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4:47pm Tue 7 May 13

meerkats says...

Ron, i think you are feeling a little sorry for yourself, at not being elected, i think you should channel your energy and thoughts into something more positive now ,going to council meetings and getting involved in different projects to benefit the town would be a start.
Ron, i think you are feeling a little sorry for yourself, at not being elected, i think you should channel your energy and thoughts into something more positive now ,going to council meetings and getting involved in different projects to benefit the town would be a start. meerkats
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