Tesco plan ‘nearly there’

CLLR DUNCAN MCGINTY

CLLR DUNCAN MCGINTY

First published in News by

CONTROVERSIAL plans to build a new Tesco in Bridgwater are still up in the air 18 months on since the project was given the green light.

Cllr Ian Tucker, who has long opposed the project, questioned Sedgemoor District Council bosses at a heated meeting on Wednesday, July 23, regarding the section 106 agreement to build the Northgate store.

He told the Mercury: “It’s been 18 months since planning permission was passed and people are asking me what is going on.

“We know it’s the 106 which is holding it up, but we don't know what part.

“Meanwhile Bridgwater is missing out on other big names such as M&S in Taunton and a leisure complex at J27.

This type of new investment could have gone on the Northgate site, but instead we have Tesco, which has given no definite start date.”

But SDC leader Cllr Duncan McGinty said work on the new store will begin in 2015 and could be complete by 2016.

He said: “The Section 106 Agreement is an important document that both the applicant (Tesco) and the Local Planning Authority (SDC) and Highway Authority (SCC) need to be comfortable with.

“The agreement has been with Tesco for a while now and while Tesco’s solicitors have confirmed they believe the 106 is “nearly there”, they have also confirmed there has been a delay due to internal restructuring within Tesco which has resulted in some changes to the team from whom Tesco’s solicitors take their instructions.

“This has delayed them being able to take instructions.”

The council will discuss if they need to ‘formally press for completion’.

He added: “The council, or indeed anyone, can never be 100% confident that any agreement it enters into cannot be reneged upon. However, the Development Agreement is a contract, the terms of which are clear and like any other contract any non-compliance would be breach of contract which gives rise to legal remedies.”

When council members put forward the idea of using the land for leisure facilities, Mr McGinty said: “The potential for leisure facilities has been looked at before and not found to be commercially attractive.”

An update is due to be given to the development committee on August 5.

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4:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Samej1 says...

Dear SDC - please google 'land banking' and 'white elephant'!
Dear SDC - please google 'land banking' and 'white elephant'! Samej1
  • Score: 2

8:49am Wed 30 Jul 14

awayswing says...

In the national press recently there have been articles about Tesco's using their land bank for house building rather than for building large,and now apparently uneconomic, stores.This of course was in areas where house prices are much higher than in Bridgwater.
In the national press recently there have been articles about Tesco's using their land bank for house building rather than for building large,and now apparently uneconomic, stores.This of course was in areas where house prices are much higher than in Bridgwater. awayswing
  • Score: 4

10:06am Wed 30 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

As someone who fully supported the Tesco's Application for the Store @ Northgate. It is quite responsible for the Company to take a further look at their options to build a New Store in our Town, of Bridgwater.
With the downturn in their trading figures, world wide, they are still one of our National Grocers, top 5.
We have seen Nationally an increase in shoppers who have turned towards Aldi & Lidl as alternative Suppliers, myself as having connections to Germany over the last 35 years, I often wondered as to why they had not done so earlier, as the quality and products are equal, and better priced, in comparison to All of the Uk Supermarkets, who seem to almost, trail each other's Offers and BOGOF Deals.
With our Population in Bridgwater, set to increase, by a further 25.000 in the next 10 years, we will need this Supermarket, along with any others that want to come to our Expanding Town to trade, whether it be Waitrose, Marks & Spencers, etc.
We will only attract these two named Players, if they can see an opportunity, for the ££ per Sq Foot Retail Return.......,,,
For those, who say that the Northgate Site, should be kept for one of these Outlets, have no idea of the real world, in reference to this potential viability.
Remember, that the Site , Northgate was put out to European Tender, as it had to be, there were three interested parties initially, after which, through due Process this left only Tesco's, as a Viable interested Player.
They have up to 5 years to Build, But as we are talking of £ Millions, they will determine their Own Store Strategy no doubt.
David L Preece
Blue -Owl
Now, 18 months on, the New Pool @ Chilton, has proved a success and the right decision by my Conservative Colleagues on SDC.
As someone who fully supported the Tesco's Application for the Store @ Northgate. It is quite responsible for the Company to take a further look at their options to build a New Store in our Town, of Bridgwater. With the downturn in their trading figures, world wide, they are still one of our National Grocers, top 5. We have seen Nationally an increase in shoppers who have turned towards Aldi & Lidl as alternative Suppliers, myself as having connections to Germany over the last 35 years, I often wondered as to why they had not done so earlier, as the quality and products are equal, and better priced, in comparison to All of the Uk Supermarkets, who seem to almost, trail each other's Offers and BOGOF Deals. With our Population in Bridgwater, set to increase, by a further 25.000 in the next 10 years, we will need this Supermarket, along with any others that want to come to our Expanding Town to trade, whether it be Waitrose, Marks & Spencers, etc. We will only attract these two named Players, if they can see an opportunity, for the ££ per Sq Foot Retail Return.......,,, For those, who say that the Northgate Site, should be kept for one of these Outlets, have no idea of the real world, in reference to this potential viability. Remember, that the Site , Northgate was put out to European Tender, as it had to be, there were three interested parties initially, after which, through due Process this left only Tesco's, as a Viable interested Player. They have up to 5 years to Build, But as we are talking of £ Millions, they will determine their Own Store Strategy no doubt. David L Preece Blue -Owl Now, 18 months on, the New Pool @ Chilton, has proved a success and the right decision by my Conservative Colleagues on SDC. Blue Owl
  • Score: -10

10:13am Wed 30 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

awayswing wrote:
In the national press recently there have been articles about Tesco's using their land bank for house building rather than for building large,and now apparently uneconomic, stores.This of course was in areas where house prices are much higher than in Bridgwater.
I can assure you that this Site " Northgate" would NOT get Planning Permission from SDC Planning Committee, if the Present Supermaket, Scheme was to alter its Application, to Housing.
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]awayswing[/bold] wrote: In the national press recently there have been articles about Tesco's using their land bank for house building rather than for building large,and now apparently uneconomic, stores.This of course was in areas where house prices are much higher than in Bridgwater.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that this Site " Northgate" would NOT get Planning Permission from SDC Planning Committee, if the Present Supermaket, Scheme was to alter its Application, to Housing. David L Preece Blue-Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -5

5:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Itsmeagen says...

How would you know, is that the councils policy? I hope nobody on the Planning Committee told you that Blue Owl!!
How would you know, is that the councils policy? I hope nobody on the Planning Committee told you that Blue Owl!! Itsmeagen
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

freddie_mercury_undercover_reporter says...

Itsmeagen wrote:
How would you know, is that the councils policy? I hope nobody on the Planning Committee told you that Blue Owl!!
He knows everything about everything and what he doesn't know he makes up
[quote][p][bold]Itsmeagen[/bold] wrote: How would you know, is that the councils policy? I hope nobody on the Planning Committee told you that Blue Owl!![/p][/quote]He knows everything about everything and what he doesn't know he makes up freddie_mercury_undercover_reporter
  • Score: 12

8:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

the voice of common sense says...

Interesting that a planning application was in yesterdays Mercury asking for permission to demolish the old enterprise centre and blake hospital that was.
Interesting that a planning application was in yesterdays Mercury asking for permission to demolish the old enterprise centre and blake hospital that was. the voice of common sense
  • Score: 6

9:07am Thu 31 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

The reason that I made my reference, to the Tesco Application for the Northgate Site, was because of the Comments made about Tesco land banking, as does every other large Developer. Just look at almost every other Brown Field Site around the Town, especially Colley Lane industrial Estate. Land there left for over 10-20 years, with no usage. Why, because the owner can !! Why not ?? He , they will develop the sites as and when they see fit.
But the Northgate Site, has been designated by SDC, as Primarily Retail Development usage, and therefore I cannot see that being altered to Accomodate housing.
To the Post, re Application to demolish the Former Enterprise Centre and the Blake Hospital, shows that the re-developement of the Site is starting.
David L Preece
Blue -Owl
The reason that I made my reference, to the Tesco Application for the Northgate Site, was because of the Comments made about Tesco land banking, as does every other large Developer. Just look at almost every other Brown Field Site around the Town, especially Colley Lane industrial Estate. Land there left for over 10-20 years, with no usage. Why, because the owner can !! Why not ?? He , they will develop the sites as and when they see fit. But the Northgate Site, has been designated by SDC, as Primarily Retail Development usage, and therefore I cannot see that being altered to Accomodate housing. To the Post, re Application to demolish the Former Enterprise Centre and the Blake Hospital, shows that the re-developement of the Site is starting. David L Preece Blue -Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -4

9:48am Thu 31 Jul 14

Itsmeagen says...

Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight?

The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time.

But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.
Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight? The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time. But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though. Itsmeagen
  • Score: 8

12:56pm Thu 31 Jul 14

curly's thoughts says...

If you would like to know what is happening with the old ERCB site I suggest you go along to the site and look on the main reception doors.
As long as SDC agrees to the method of demolition, work starts in September 2014.
If you would like to know what is happening with the old ERCB site I suggest you go along to the site and look on the main reception doors. As long as SDC agrees to the method of demolition, work starts in September 2014. curly's thoughts
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

Itsmeagen wrote:
Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight?

The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time.

But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.
So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl.
I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements.
The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal,
A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool.
That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved.
Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement.
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Itsmeagen[/bold] wrote: Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight? The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time. But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.[/p][/quote]So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements. The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal, A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool. That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved. Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement. David L Preece Blue-Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -5

2:22pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

curly's thoughts wrote:
If you would like to know what is happening with the old ERCB site I suggest you go along to the site and look on the main reception doors.
As long as SDC agrees to the method of demolition, work starts in September 2014.
Curly, what is happening to the doors of the ERCB site as you refer ??? If you are eluding to the Old Blake Hospital and the Site to the right of The Bridgwater Police Station, that land is the responsibility of SCC, as being part of what was the Enterprise Centre.
Please enlighten as to what is up there.???
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]curly's thoughts[/bold] wrote: If you would like to know what is happening with the old ERCB site I suggest you go along to the site and look on the main reception doors. As long as SDC agrees to the method of demolition, work starts in September 2014.[/p][/quote]Curly, what is happening to the doors of the ERCB site as you refer ??? If you are eluding to the Old Blake Hospital and the Site to the right of The Bridgwater Police Station, that land is the responsibility of SCC, as being part of what was the Enterprise Centre. Please enlighten as to what is up there.??? David L Preece Blue-Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Thu 31 Jul 14

curly's thoughts says...

In answer to you Blue Owl.
S.C.C have posted a copy of an application to SDC as to the method of SCC levelling the whole of the Northgate site, as it is the property of S.C.C. and NHS.
As long as SDC are in agreement work is proposed to start in September 2014.
Next time you are up that way take a detour in to the site and see for yourself. There is a copy on just about every door on all three buildings.
Hope that answers your question.
Curly
In answer to you Blue Owl. S.C.C have posted a copy of an application to SDC as to the method of SCC levelling the whole of the Northgate site, as it is the property of S.C.C. and NHS. As long as SDC are in agreement work is proposed to start in September 2014. Next time you are up that way take a detour in to the site and see for yourself. There is a copy on just about every door on all three buildings. Hope that answers your question. Curly curly's thoughts
  • Score: 3

5:30pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Boring says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Itsmeagen wrote:
Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight?

The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time.

But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.
So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl.
I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements.
The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal,
A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool.
That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved.
Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement.
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
The reason the swimming pool is on the Chilton school site,is because of the last Labour Governments schools for the future policy.
The same policy which the Tories ( and the Liberals) halted,leaving Haygrove and BW academy Schools still with buildings from the dark ages.

So for you to try and claim that the pool was some sort of present from Tory SDC is rubbish.
As for Tesco's,time will tell,but please tell me why taxpayers money ( 30k ?)was used in a RUSH to help Tesco's and SDC push the plans through?
Why the rush then,and nothing now?
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Itsmeagen[/bold] wrote: Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight? The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time. But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.[/p][/quote]So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements. The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal, A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool. That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved. Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement. David L Preece Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]The reason the swimming pool is on the Chilton school site,is because of the last Labour Governments schools for the future policy. The same policy which the Tories ( and the Liberals) halted,leaving Haygrove and BW academy Schools still with buildings from the dark ages. So for you to try and claim that the pool was some sort of present from Tory SDC is rubbish. As for Tesco's,time will tell,but please tell me why taxpayers money ( 30k ?)was used in a RUSH to help Tesco's and SDC push the plans through? Why the rush then,and nothing now? Boring
  • Score: 8

6:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

freddie_mercury_undercover_reporter says...

Boring wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
Itsmeagen wrote:
Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight?

The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time.

But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.
So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl.
I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements.
The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal,
A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool.
That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved.
Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement.
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
The reason the swimming pool is on the Chilton school site,is because of the last Labour Governments schools for the future policy.
The same policy which the Tories ( and the Liberals) halted,leaving Haygrove and BW academy Schools still with buildings from the dark ages.

So for you to try and claim that the pool was some sort of present from Tory SDC is rubbish.
As for Tesco's,time will tell,but please tell me why taxpayers money ( 30k ?)was used in a RUSH to help Tesco's and SDC push the plans through?
Why the rush then,and nothing now?
Don't worry Boring - he won't answer this with any sense, just like he didn't answer my post regarding his Facebook account and the sharing of a dubious "Britain First" poster stating "British Jobs For British Workers Not British Jobs For Foreign Workers" after he'd already criticised YET another contributor for being racist. Just like he made inflammatory comments regarding MP Tessa Munt's brave decision to undertake radio and press interviews regarding her childhood abuse at the hands of a paedophile. Just like he feels it's ok to rant and rave like a deranged lunatic at staff in a local doctors surgery for not bowing to his demands. (I can almost hear the immortal words "don't you know who I am" ringing in their ears!).

I don't need to "stalk" you David, you are more than capable of making yourself look like a complete buffoon without any input from me - I just find it highly amusing that a man (allegedly) standing for re-election next year behaves in public with all the finesse and personal skills of a West Ham supporting 1970's sit-com character. The Tory party must be so proud to number you in their ranks
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Itsmeagen[/bold] wrote: Even though the impression is given by the council in the article is that work will start soon, I think you will find Tesco do not have to start the work immediately so the site so it could still lay empty for another 2 to 3 years. Tesco could still renege on the contract and that would probably mean protracted and expensive court action if the council wanted to take legal action against Tesco. Tesco must be bristling with their own lawyers one would imagine. Would the council have the stomach for that fight? The council are doing their best to project an air of calm but must be pretty anxious about this with an election looming. Would definitely be egg on their face if this goes wrong after all this time. But then of course, there is the chance all is hunky dory and despite the lack of information coming from SDC. Don't get that impression though.[/p][/quote]So, like everyone else, you are speculating, Tesco's have plenty of time to make their business plan stack up, it is obvious from the Company, and the Trading downturn they announced recently, that the Goal posts have altered in the Retail Sector, with all the Major players, losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. I have posted, and so has the Leader of SDC, made the bidding stages open and accountable, at the end of the process, there was only Tesco 's who were there with expressions of interest for the Northgate Site. Despite in major Contracts, their has to be confidentiality Clausses, as one would expect. So, updates are more difficult to release, without both parties agreements. The next years elections, have no bearing on the Completion, of this Deal, A decision was taken by the Majority of the SDC Members, as to how best to Fund a New Pool, and how to best dispose of the Northgate Site, in turn realising funds to pay for the new build Pool. That decision, was made and 18 months on, from the Opening of the Swimming Leisure Centre, the decision was correct, and the only way that the financing could be achieved. Difficult decisions is what being part of Local Governance means, but on weighing up all the consequences, you make a judgement. David L Preece Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]The reason the swimming pool is on the Chilton school site,is because of the last Labour Governments schools for the future policy. The same policy which the Tories ( and the Liberals) halted,leaving Haygrove and BW academy Schools still with buildings from the dark ages. So for you to try and claim that the pool was some sort of present from Tory SDC is rubbish. As for Tesco's,time will tell,but please tell me why taxpayers money ( 30k ?)was used in a RUSH to help Tesco's and SDC push the plans through? Why the rush then,and nothing now?[/p][/quote]Don't worry Boring - he won't answer this with any sense, just like he didn't answer my post regarding his Facebook account and the sharing of a dubious "Britain First" poster stating "British Jobs For British Workers Not British Jobs For Foreign Workers" after he'd already criticised YET another contributor for being racist. Just like he made inflammatory comments regarding MP Tessa Munt's brave decision to undertake radio and press interviews regarding her childhood abuse at the hands of a paedophile. Just like he feels it's ok to rant and rave like a deranged lunatic at staff in a local doctors surgery for not bowing to his demands. (I can almost hear the immortal words "don't you know who I am" ringing in their ears!). I don't need to "stalk" you David, you are more than capable of making yourself look like a complete buffoon without any input from me - I just find it highly amusing that a man (allegedly) standing for re-election next year behaves in public with all the finesse and personal skills of a West Ham supporting 1970's sit-com character. The Tory party must be so proud to number you in their ranks freddie_mercury_undercover_reporter
  • Score: 12

6:47pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

Itsmeagain, The reason, we even have a New Pool is because we the Tories, faced a dilemma, either to continue throwing £750.000 per Annum into a defunct pool, that was deteriating, and needed major finance spent on its infrastructure, to a tune of £4 Million Pounds.
It was opposed by all the Labour and Liberals on the Council, so for you to make the assertion that the New Chilton Pool was a result of Labour Council or previous Labour Government funding is beyond believe. The only New Swimming Pools that Labour Funded were in Labour Controlled Districts around the Country for the Olympics training, which was good for those area's, who received funding.
For us to be able to build the New Pool, at £6.4 Million, we took the decision to use the Site alongside the New School @ Chilton Trinity. Which enabled us to save over £1.5 Million on the Scheme, had we to build elsewhere.
So it was us the Conservatives, amid the Labour Party, the Bridgwater Forward ' Save The Splash ' Campaigners, that through determined actions, brought to fruition a New Pool and Leisure Centre, fit for the next 30 years, with the £400.000 Annual Operating/ Maintainance Costs Factored in.
With the agreement of SCC, who owned 40 % of the Northgate Site, SDC the other 60% we jointly! marketed the Northgate Site, to achieve the Best return, as we were and are obliged to do.
Thus by putting the Site to European Tender, we were able to obtain, this.
This, will in turn pay for the New Pool, as a Council, you have to use the Assets, to Finance other new projects, the days of borrowing to finance are long gone,
Note: four years ago, for every £1 Million Borrowed would cost £100.000 per Annum, so it is not viable.

If we had left it to The Opposition, there would be no New Pool, an annual
Maintenance Bill of £400 k £300.000k in Subsidising swimmers, and now a Bill of £4Million to find.
The pool would have had to be closed due to health & Safety, for structural works to be carried out, or Closed Permanently.
Where were you when this was all being talked about, in the local press, and it was SCC that used its 30.000 to aid the Planning Application, and was found to be legal to do.
David L Prreece
Blue -Owl
Itsmeagain, The reason, we even have a New Pool is because we the Tories, faced a dilemma, either to continue throwing £750.000 per Annum into a defunct pool, that was deteriating, and needed major finance spent on its infrastructure, to a tune of £4 Million Pounds. It was opposed by all the Labour and Liberals on the Council, so for you to make the assertion that the New Chilton Pool was a result of Labour Council or previous Labour Government funding is beyond believe. The only New Swimming Pools that Labour Funded were in Labour Controlled Districts around the Country for the Olympics training, which was good for those area's, who received funding. For us to be able to build the New Pool, at £6.4 Million, we took the decision to use the Site alongside the New School @ Chilton Trinity. Which enabled us to save over £1.5 Million on the Scheme, had we to build elsewhere. So it was us the Conservatives, amid the Labour Party, the Bridgwater Forward ' Save The Splash ' Campaigners, that through determined actions, brought to fruition a New Pool and Leisure Centre, fit for the next 30 years, with the £400.000 Annual Operating/ Maintainance Costs Factored in. With the agreement of SCC, who owned 40 % of the Northgate Site, SDC the other 60% we jointly! marketed the Northgate Site, to achieve the Best return, as we were and are obliged to do. Thus by putting the Site to European Tender, we were able to obtain, this. This, will in turn pay for the New Pool, as a Council, you have to use the Assets, to Finance other new projects, the days of borrowing to finance are long gone, Note: four years ago, for every £1 Million Borrowed would cost £100.000 per Annum, so it is not viable. If we had left it to The Opposition, there would be no New Pool, an annual Maintenance Bill of £400 k £300.000k in Subsidising swimmers, and now a Bill of £4Million to find. The pool would have had to be closed due to health & Safety, for structural works to be carried out, or Closed Permanently. Where were you when this was all being talked about, in the local press, and it was SCC that used its 30.000 to aid the Planning Application, and was found to be legal to do. David L Prreece Blue -Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -12

7:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Itsmeagen says...

Blue Owl - I never mentioned the pool or come to that the interest being paid on the loan taken out to build it. So whatever you might say the council are probably desperate to close the deal as they borrowed the money aiming to get it back from the sale of the Northgate site (still paying interest in the meantime of course).

I am speculating nothing, I said even if the deal with Tesco goes through they do not have to build immediately. I am just setting a possible scenario if things do not go as the council plan. You are not a councillor so are not in the room with your ex colleagues when these matters are being discussed so most of what you are saying is speculation. However you are right about the pressure Tesco are now under and as a business they would be considering ALL options and could of course mean not going ahead with the Northgate site.

Once again it is not the past (which you continuously refer to) that matters here, it is what is going to happen in the future and none of us can be sure of that, probably including the council.

Good to see you are supporting the Blues at the council, would not be a good idea to go against the flow at the moment as you are up for selection to try and become a councillor again. Let us know which area they will give you to fight for if you are selected. I assume they may well read what you articulate on here so can be sure of your extensive local knowledge, professionalism and dedication to the cause.
Blue Owl - I never mentioned the pool or come to that the interest being paid on the loan taken out to build it. So whatever you might say the council are probably desperate to close the deal as they borrowed the money aiming to get it back from the sale of the Northgate site (still paying interest in the meantime of course). I am speculating nothing, I said even if the deal with Tesco goes through they do not have to build immediately. I am just setting a possible scenario if things do not go as the council plan. You are not a councillor so are not in the room with your ex colleagues when these matters are being discussed so most of what you are saying is speculation. However you are right about the pressure Tesco are now under and as a business they would be considering ALL options and could of course mean not going ahead with the Northgate site. Once again it is not the past (which you continuously refer to) that matters here, it is what is going to happen in the future and none of us can be sure of that, probably including the council. Good to see you are supporting the Blues at the council, would not be a good idea to go against the flow at the moment as you are up for selection to try and become a councillor again. Let us know which area they will give you to fight for if you are selected. I assume they may well read what you articulate on here so can be sure of your extensive local knowledge, professionalism and dedication to the cause. Itsmeagen
  • Score: 8

8:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Boring says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Itsmeagain, The reason, we even have a New Pool is because we the Tories, faced a dilemma, either to continue throwing £750.000 per Annum into a defunct pool, that was deteriating, and needed major finance spent on its infrastructure, to a tune of £4 Million Pounds.
It was opposed by all the Labour and Liberals on the Council, so for you to make the assertion that the New Chilton Pool was a result of Labour Council or previous Labour Government funding is beyond believe. The only New Swimming Pools that Labour Funded were in Labour Controlled Districts around the Country for the Olympics training, which was good for those area's, who received funding.
For us to be able to build the New Pool, at £6.4 Million, we took the decision to use the Site alongside the New School @ Chilton Trinity. Which enabled us to save over £1.5 Million on the Scheme, had we to build elsewhere.
So it was us the Conservatives, amid the Labour Party, the Bridgwater Forward ' Save The Splash ' Campaigners, that through determined actions, brought to fruition a New Pool and Leisure Centre, fit for the next 30 years, with the £400.000 Annual Operating/ Maintainance Costs Factored in.
With the agreement of SCC, who owned 40 % of the Northgate Site, SDC the other 60% we jointly! marketed the Northgate Site, to achieve the Best return, as we were and are obliged to do.
Thus by putting the Site to European Tender, we were able to obtain, this.
This, will in turn pay for the New Pool, as a Council, you have to use the Assets, to Finance other new projects, the days of borrowing to finance are long gone,
Note: four years ago, for every £1 Million Borrowed would cost £100.000 per Annum, so it is not viable.

If we had left it to The Opposition, there would be no New Pool, an annual
Maintenance Bill of £400 k £300.000k in Subsidising swimmers, and now a Bill of £4Million to find.
The pool would have had to be closed due to health & Safety, for structural works to be carried out, or Closed Permanently.
Where were you when this was all being talked about, in the local press, and it was SCC that used its 30.000 to aid the Planning Application, and was found to be legal to do.
David L Prreece
Blue -Owl
So,your telling me that the new pool would have been built at Chilton,even if the new Chilton School hadn't have been built???
Yeah right ;-)

Labour built new Schools all over the country for the benefit of the young people of the UK.

Your mobs priority when coming into power ( even after failing to win another election,sound familiar ;-) )was to stop the Schools being built.
Chilton was only re-built because contracts had been signed already.
That's why the pool ended up where it was,and the reason we have a pool is nothing to do with the Tory's but the Labour party's Schools for future policy.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Itsmeagain, The reason, we even have a New Pool is because we the Tories, faced a dilemma, either to continue throwing £750.000 per Annum into a defunct pool, that was deteriating, and needed major finance spent on its infrastructure, to a tune of £4 Million Pounds. It was opposed by all the Labour and Liberals on the Council, so for you to make the assertion that the New Chilton Pool was a result of Labour Council or previous Labour Government funding is beyond believe. The only New Swimming Pools that Labour Funded were in Labour Controlled Districts around the Country for the Olympics training, which was good for those area's, who received funding. For us to be able to build the New Pool, at £6.4 Million, we took the decision to use the Site alongside the New School @ Chilton Trinity. Which enabled us to save over £1.5 Million on the Scheme, had we to build elsewhere. So it was us the Conservatives, amid the Labour Party, the Bridgwater Forward ' Save The Splash ' Campaigners, that through determined actions, brought to fruition a New Pool and Leisure Centre, fit for the next 30 years, with the £400.000 Annual Operating/ Maintainance Costs Factored in. With the agreement of SCC, who owned 40 % of the Northgate Site, SDC the other 60% we jointly! marketed the Northgate Site, to achieve the Best return, as we were and are obliged to do. Thus by putting the Site to European Tender, we were able to obtain, this. This, will in turn pay for the New Pool, as a Council, you have to use the Assets, to Finance other new projects, the days of borrowing to finance are long gone, Note: four years ago, for every £1 Million Borrowed would cost £100.000 per Annum, so it is not viable. If we had left it to The Opposition, there would be no New Pool, an annual Maintenance Bill of £400 k £300.000k in Subsidising swimmers, and now a Bill of £4Million to find. The pool would have had to be closed due to health & Safety, for structural works to be carried out, or Closed Permanently. Where were you when this was all being talked about, in the local press, and it was SCC that used its 30.000 to aid the Planning Application, and was found to be legal to do. David L Prreece Blue -Owl[/p][/quote]So,your telling me that the new pool would have been built at Chilton,even if the new Chilton School hadn't have been built??? Yeah right ;-) Labour built new Schools all over the country for the benefit of the young people of the UK. Your mobs priority when coming into power ( even after failing to win another election,sound familiar ;-) )was to stop the Schools being built. Chilton was only re-built because contracts had been signed already. That's why the pool ended up where it was,and the reason we have a pool is nothing to do with the Tory's but the Labour party's Schools for future policy. Boring
  • Score: 8

10:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Itsmeagen says...

Blue Owl - Once again I never mentioned the pool in my original post, I never said we should not have a new pool, you brought that one up. I am raising issues around Tesco and the possibility, however slim, that they may complete the sale and if they do they could still sit on the land for at least another few years and even then pull out.

If you look at the heading of this Mercury article it is 'Tesco Plan- Nearly there' No mention of the pool. The debate is about Tesco. Will they or won't they. If the don't I would think it will certainly be an embarrassment for the council especially with the election looming - and whatever you say is certainly relevant with all the time and money that would have been wasted trying to get this scheme through.
Blue Owl - Once again I never mentioned the pool in my original post, I never said we should not have a new pool, you brought that one up. I am raising issues around Tesco and the possibility, however slim, that they may complete the sale and if they do they could still sit on the land for at least another few years and even then pull out. If you look at the heading of this Mercury article it is 'Tesco Plan- Nearly there' No mention of the pool. The debate is about Tesco. Will they or won't they. If the don't I would think it will certainly be an embarrassment for the council especially with the election looming - and whatever you say is certainly relevant with all the time and money that would have been wasted trying to get this scheme through. Itsmeagen
  • Score: 6

9:02am Fri 1 Aug 14

curly's thoughts says...

Blue Owl,
you did ask me a question earlier on and I replied to you. Are you happy with my reply and do you understand what I said?
The article we are all talking about is 'what Tesco's are going to do next', not who built the swimming pool.
By the way ERCB had a very good pool some 5 years ago that was used by many, many people from all over, who had a range of disabilities.
Now they only have very limited time in the new pool and that is a crying shame.
It will be interesting when the demolition of the Northgate site gets underway as it sits on the ground works of the old Workhouse, Hospital and Infectious Diseases block. We may then have a good chance at looking back into the past.
Curly
Blue Owl, you did ask me a question earlier on and I replied to you. Are you happy with my reply and do you understand what I said? The article we are all talking about is 'what Tesco's are going to do next', not who built the swimming pool. By the way ERCB had a very good pool some 5 years ago that was used by many, many people from all over, who had a range of disabilities. Now they only have very limited time in the new pool and that is a crying shame. It will be interesting when the demolition of the Northgate site gets underway as it sits on the ground works of the old Workhouse, Hospital and Infectious Diseases block. We may then have a good chance at looking back into the past. Curly curly's thoughts
  • Score: 4

1:33am Tue 5 Aug 14

bygeorge says...

"Tesco already appears to be rethinking its expansion strategy, announcing last month that it will use land previously earmarked for supermarkets to build 4,000 new homes"..............
..... A statement made in the Mail Online, 4th August 2014 !. I believe that Bridgwaters "new Tescos" will be Bridgwaters new houses !.
"Tesco already appears to be rethinking its expansion strategy, announcing last month that it will use land previously earmarked for supermarkets to build 4,000 new homes".............. ..... A statement made in the Mail Online, 4th August 2014 !. I believe that Bridgwaters "new Tescos" will be Bridgwaters new houses !. bygeorge
  • Score: 2

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