Proposals for major Taunton developments

The Viridor office building at Firepool.

The Viridor office building at Firepool.

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PROPOSALS for a multi-million pound enhancement in Taunton town centre have been backed tonight (January 15).

The plans could see a number of large stores and apartments, a cinema and leisure complex and offices at Firepool, the former Taunton Livestock Market site.

Coal Orchard could become a town quay, with people enjoying canoeing and kayaking, shops and homes on the existing car park.

And the town centre could become largely pedestrianised.

Councillors on Taunton Deane's executive backed the Taunton Rethink document.

 

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10:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TauntonBloke29 says...

Where is the money for this!!!???? Who is going to invest in Taunton with the traffic problems and shops/business's shutting down? Proposals are just that, proposals. I want to see the money and buildings before i believe this will happen.
Where is the money for this!!!???? Who is going to invest in Taunton with the traffic problems and shops/business's shutting down? Proposals are just that, proposals. I want to see the money and buildings before i believe this will happen. TauntonBloke29
  • Score: 10

6:56am Thu 16 Jan 14

FreeSpeech? says...

What is "ca Boeing"? We have heard all this clap trap before and up until now all we have is the carbuncle Virador building and Stalag 13 down the other end that double as Taunton largest drug dealership so I hear, its all fine rabbiting on about it but where are all the investors.
What is "ca Boeing"? We have heard all this clap trap before and up until now all we have is the carbuncle Virador building and Stalag 13 down the other end that double as Taunton largest drug dealership so I hear, its all fine rabbiting on about it but where are all the investors. FreeSpeech?
  • Score: 11

9:05am Thu 16 Jan 14

CosApp says...

So it's official. They have moved the town centre to Firepool.
So it's official. They have moved the town centre to Firepool. CosApp
  • Score: 3

9:23am Thu 16 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

Never going to happen with this bunch of jokers in charge.

All talk.
Never going to happen with this bunch of jokers in charge. All talk. Slow down!
  • Score: 11

9:42am Thu 16 Jan 14

BillBennett says...

Call me cynical but it'll never happen. "Backing" a proposal is one thing, actually getting the spades out and digging is another.
Call me cynical but it'll never happen. "Backing" a proposal is one thing, actually getting the spades out and digging is another. BillBennett
  • Score: 12

10:02am Thu 16 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

I propose a Race Track with the aim of getting it onto the F1 calendar within the next 5 years.

See its easy to put forward proposals, just need someone to back it now!
I propose a Race Track with the aim of getting it onto the F1 calendar within the next 5 years. See its easy to put forward proposals, just need someone to back it now! Slow down!
  • Score: 21

11:21am Thu 16 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

Apparently we have to think like a city.

Why I ask?

Why can't we think like a County town, a town that dares to think differently, a town that encourages small businesses to set up here and offer something different rather than trying to compete with the likes of Exeter or Bristol? The big shops will always invest in these places first not Taunton so why try and compete with them.

Taunton has been turned into a shadow of itself over the last few years and is nothing more than a poor commuter town yet the people who have allowed this to happen are still in charge of our future and are leading us down yet another blind alley.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
Apparently we have to think like a city. Why I ask? Why can't we think like a County town, a town that dares to think differently, a town that encourages small businesses to set up here and offer something different rather than trying to compete with the likes of Exeter or Bristol? The big shops will always invest in these places first not Taunton so why try and compete with them. Taunton has been turned into a shadow of itself over the last few years and is nothing more than a poor commuter town yet the people who have allowed this to happen are still in charge of our future and are leading us down yet another blind alley. Wake up and smell the coffee. Slow down!
  • Score: 14

12:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

What a bunch of ne'er sayers! if the scheme has only just been announced it is not surprising the investors have not gone public yet. But someone owns the land, and did not object to its allocation in TDBC planning documents for the purposes now proposed.

Mark my words, this will happen, particularly when the Northern Distributor Road improves access to the area - which is its primary function.

It is extremely easy for all you knockers above to take a pop, but where are your constructive, costed and viable alternative schemes? Conspicuous by their absence, that's where.
What a bunch of ne'er sayers! if the scheme has only just been announced it is not surprising the investors have not gone public yet. But someone owns the land, and did not object to its allocation in TDBC planning documents for the purposes now proposed. Mark my words, this will happen, particularly when the Northern Distributor Road improves access to the area - which is its primary function. It is extremely easy for all you knockers above to take a pop, but where are your constructive, costed and viable alternative schemes? Conspicuous by their absence, that's where. mansell5
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

Its been talked about for years already and the best we'll get is another supermarket and more unaffordable housing if we're lucky.

Can anyone else remember the Ice rink Taunton was promised many years ago?

I might be negative but I've heard it all before from this lot.

Does anyone have Bernie's number?
Its been talked about for years already and the best we'll get is another supermarket and more unaffordable housing if we're lucky. Can anyone else remember the Ice rink Taunton was promised many years ago? I might be negative but I've heard it all before from this lot. Does anyone have Bernie's number? Slow down!
  • Score: 10

1:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

swjoduk says...

An Aldi or a Waitrose or both would be nice. Some good restaurants and bars too.

Incidentally I took a drive up to Firepool. The glass and wood clad houses look modern but what are those awful wood clad boxes which are completely overlooked all about?
An Aldi or a Waitrose or both would be nice. Some good restaurants and bars too. Incidentally I took a drive up to Firepool. The glass and wood clad houses look modern but what are those awful wood clad boxes which are completely overlooked all about? swjoduk
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Jonvee says...

East Reach and other areas need some improvements and seem to be overlooked in favour of these proposals. Car parking is already a problem in that area not to mention traffic flow.
East Reach and other areas need some improvements and seem to be overlooked in favour of these proposals. Car parking is already a problem in that area not to mention traffic flow. Jonvee
  • Score: 9

2:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

Do you mean the ones overlooking the canal?

I can just see a retired couple or young professional settling down with a nice glass of wine on their veranda over looking the canal on a nice summers evening being taunted by youths, drunks and druggies walking/stumbling along the tow path with the sound of rumbling traffic crossing the new bridge in the background.

What a lovely picture.
Do you mean the ones overlooking the canal? I can just see a retired couple or young professional settling down with a nice glass of wine on their veranda over looking the canal on a nice summers evening being taunted by youths, drunks and druggies walking/stumbling along the tow path with the sound of rumbling traffic crossing the new bridge in the background. What a lovely picture. Slow down!
  • Score: 13

7:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

Yes, canalside apartments in other towns are just like that, no value. Oh hang on, no they're not they're exactly the opposite. You must be talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish. Try getting out more and actually looking at Exeter, Birmingham or any other town canalside development.
Yes, canalside apartments in other towns are just like that, no value. Oh hang on, no they're not they're exactly the opposite. You must be talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish. Try getting out more and actually looking at Exeter, Birmingham or any other town canalside development. mansell5
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Harryhourse says...

So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)
So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not) Harryhourse
  • Score: 5

9:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Jamesey says...

I agree with Mansell5. I can't believe there are so many negative, miserable posts here!

Why doesn't everyone cheer up and give some support to projects like this? Development is good for our town!
I agree with Mansell5. I can't believe there are so many negative, miserable posts here! Why doesn't everyone cheer up and give some support to projects like this? Development is good for our town! Jamesey
  • Score: -1

8:41am Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

I agree

'Development is good for our town!' (Well sometimes!!!!)

But we're still at the proposal stage and have been for years already.

When the builders move and companies commit to it I'll be a bit more positive, until then it is nothing more than a white elephant, but pinning all your hopes for the towns future on a new road is a little bit of a gamble.
I agree 'Development is good for our town!' (Well sometimes!!!!) But we're still at the proposal stage and have been for years already. When the builders move and companies commit to it I'll be a bit more positive, until then it is nothing more than a white elephant, but pinning all your hopes for the towns future on a new road is a little bit of a gamble. Slow down!
  • Score: 4

8:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

Also any benefits of the new road to ease congestion in the town will be wiped out once the town centre is pedestrianised plus the new road is bound to be filled with traffic lights from start to finish to deter cars from coming to Taunton anyway.

Result.
Also any benefits of the new road to ease congestion in the town will be wiped out once the town centre is pedestrianised plus the new road is bound to be filled with traffic lights from start to finish to deter cars from coming to Taunton anyway. Result. Slow down!
  • Score: 5

8:52am Fri 17 Jan 14

HipposRule says...

Harryhourse wrote:
So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)
If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful.
[quote][p][bold]Harryhourse[/bold] wrote: So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)[/p][/quote]If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful. HipposRule
  • Score: 0

8:56am Fri 17 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

It is quite simple, whilst there is Government grant towards the road it is the existence of developer contributions that has brought that grant. Bottom line is no development equals no road these days.

And pedestrianisation isn't a benefit? The road will have signals, it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived.

People forget East Reach used to be far worse and had a poor personal injury collision record before the signals. That is genuine crashes where people are hurt, not damage only incidents.
It is quite simple, whilst there is Government grant towards the road it is the existence of developer contributions that has brought that grant. Bottom line is no development equals no road these days. And pedestrianisation isn't a benefit? The road will have signals, it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived. People forget East Reach used to be far worse and had a poor personal injury collision record before the signals. That is genuine crashes where people are hurt, not damage only incidents. mansell5
  • Score: -3

8:59am Fri 17 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

HipposRule wrote:
Harryhourse wrote:
So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)
If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful.
Yes, that is true. TDBC went against the advice of the highway authority when they permitted Morrisons (Safeway at the time).
[quote][p][bold]HipposRule[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harryhourse[/bold] wrote: So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)[/p][/quote]If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful.[/p][/quote]Yes, that is true. TDBC went against the advice of the highway authority when they permitted Morrisons (Safeway at the time). mansell5
  • Score: 4

9:14am Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

The road will have signals it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived.

What evidence?

or are you talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish.

Again!
The road will have signals it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived. What evidence? or are you talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish. Again! Slow down!
  • Score: 3

10:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

FreeSpeech? says...

mansell5 wrote:
HipposRule wrote:
Harryhourse wrote:
So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)
If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful.
Yes, that is true. TDBC went against the advice of the highway authority when they permitted Morrisons (Safeway at the time).
Yes agree with you, what you fail to mention is that Graham reeves and Coalthursts wood yard were compulsory purchased with tax payers money for the above mentioned road then sold I suspect at great profit to Lidl and the then Safeways. Wonder where the money from that went?
[quote][p][bold]mansell5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HipposRule[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harryhourse[/bold] wrote: So when do we officially hear that morrisons are moving to firepool and the rest of the area and the old morrisons site will be housing of some sort. Just what the town needs (not)[/p][/quote]If Morrison were to move the original plan to extend Wood Street from Lidl through to Priory Fields could go ahead so the third way would actually be useful.[/p][/quote]Yes, that is true. TDBC went against the advice of the highway authority when they permitted Morrisons (Safeway at the time).[/p][/quote]Yes agree with you, what you fail to mention is that Graham reeves and Coalthursts wood yard were compulsory purchased with tax payers money for the above mentioned road then sold I suspect at great profit to Lidl and the then Safeways. Wonder where the money from that went? FreeSpeech?
  • Score: 3

11:14am Fri 17 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

Slow down! wrote:
The road will have signals it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived.

What evidence?

or are you talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish.

Again!
Many towns where sort term outages have morphed in to medium term. Exeter and Bristol being two examples, the Moor Lane junction in Exeter in 2012 was one example.

Thank you for your final comments, they define you.
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: The road will have signals it would grind to a complete halt without them. When existing signals go out junctions work well for a day or two as everyone gives way like it's an afternoon tea dance, but evidence elsewhere shows that is short lived. What evidence? or are you talking ill informed, blinkered rubbish. Again![/p][/quote]Many towns where sort term outages have morphed in to medium term. Exeter and Bristol being two examples, the Moor Lane junction in Exeter in 2012 was one example. Thank you for your final comments, they define you. mansell5
  • Score: -3

11:36am Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action.
Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples.


Also

'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.'

They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder!
The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action. Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples. Also 'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.' They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder! Slow down!
  • Score: 8

11:48am Fri 17 Jan 14

topcataj says...

Slow down! wrote:
The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action.
Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples.


Also

'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.'

They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder!
pot, kettle...
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action. Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples. Also 'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.' They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder![/p][/quote]pot, kettle... topcataj
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Fri 17 Jan 14

mansell5 says...

Slow down! wrote:
The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action.
Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples.


Also

'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.'

They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder!
It's an illusion. It is like a roundabout, you get constant creep so it feels and looks like it works better. But signals platoon traffic in greater swathes and analysis shows actually carries higher total flows.

The professional term is traffic signal, not light.

:-)
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: The examples you provided were poor ones, the fact is in Taunton the traffic does flow better when several traffic lights are out of action. Station/Staplegrove Rd and Morrison's lights are two examples. Also 'Thank you for your final comments, they define you.' They were your own words that you used against me, so don't take the higher ground when you are nothing more than a pathetic keyboard warrior with a chip on your shoulder![/p][/quote]It's an illusion. It is like a roundabout, you get constant creep so it feels and looks like it works better. But signals platoon traffic in greater swathes and analysis shows actually carries higher total flows. The professional term is traffic signal, not light. :-) mansell5
  • Score: -1

1:09pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

The traffic lights in town are used to cause motorist problems and not used to control the flow of traffic, this has been a problem in Taunton for years and past local councillors I have met have admitted that they have done that on purpose to deter the motorist from entering the town.

I travel the length and breadth of the Country and I have yet to find a city or town that is worse than Taunton, there is little point in a traffic light turning green if the one 20m down the road is red.

The new road (the poorly thought out one that leads to a bottle neck in Staplegrove road) will be dotted with traffic lights from start to finish.
The traffic lights in town are used to cause motorist problems and not used to control the flow of traffic, this has been a problem in Taunton for years and past local councillors I have met have admitted that they have done that on purpose to deter the motorist from entering the town. I travel the length and breadth of the Country and I have yet to find a city or town that is worse than Taunton, there is little point in a traffic light turning green if the one 20m down the road is red. The new road (the poorly thought out one that leads to a bottle neck in Staplegrove road) will be dotted with traffic lights from start to finish. Slow down!
  • Score: 6

1:40pm Fri 17 Jan 14

GoingGreen says...

Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars!
Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars! GoingGreen
  • Score: -2

2:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

On ya bike!
On ya bike! Slow down!
  • Score: 3

3:56pm Fri 17 Jan 14

GoingGreen says...

Slow down! wrote:
On ya bike!
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: On ya bike![/p][/quote]Exactly! GoingGreen
  • Score: 4

12:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

swjoduk says...

Slow down! wrote:
The traffic lights in town are used to cause motorist problems and not used to control the flow of traffic, this has been a problem in Taunton for years and past local councillors I have met have admitted that they have done that on purpose to deter the motorist from entering the town.

I travel the length and breadth of the Country and I have yet to find a city or town that is worse than Taunton, there is little point in a traffic light turning green if the one 20m down the road is red.

The new road (the poorly thought out one that leads to a bottle neck in Staplegrove road) will be dotted with traffic lights from start to finish.
So you obviously haven't tried driving in Bridgwater, Yeovil, Exeter or Bristol (to name a few) during rush hour. It is the same wherever you go.

No traffic signals would lead to more people speeding, more collisions as people wouldn't know when or who to give way to. Such a pointless argument! If you dont like it so much, move to a town where they don't have lots of lights. Good luck finding one!

There is though an argument that some could be made more intelligent. Why off peak when there is nothing around the Silk Mills lights, Regional Agricultural Centre lights on the A38 at N Petherton and Henlade P & R lights have to change to red when no one is looking to come out is beyond me and very annoying.
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: The traffic lights in town are used to cause motorist problems and not used to control the flow of traffic, this has been a problem in Taunton for years and past local councillors I have met have admitted that they have done that on purpose to deter the motorist from entering the town. I travel the length and breadth of the Country and I have yet to find a city or town that is worse than Taunton, there is little point in a traffic light turning green if the one 20m down the road is red. The new road (the poorly thought out one that leads to a bottle neck in Staplegrove road) will be dotted with traffic lights from start to finish.[/p][/quote]So you obviously haven't tried driving in Bridgwater, Yeovil, Exeter or Bristol (to name a few) during rush hour. It is the same wherever you go. No traffic signals would lead to more people speeding, more collisions as people wouldn't know when or who to give way to. Such a pointless argument! If you dont like it so much, move to a town where they don't have lots of lights. Good luck finding one! There is though an argument that some could be made more intelligent. Why off peak when there is nothing around the Silk Mills lights, Regional Agricultural Centre lights on the A38 at N Petherton and Henlade P & R lights have to change to red when no one is looking to come out is beyond me and very annoying. swjoduk
  • Score: 1

9:27am Mon 20 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

"No traffic signals would lead to more people speeding, more collisions as people wouldn't know when or who to give way to."


You always give way to the right, and I find people drive more carefully when lights are out of action, true you always get one or two idiots but those are the same people who jump lights (sorry signals!), speed and drive without any consideration to others anyway.
"No traffic signals would lead to more people speeding, more collisions as people wouldn't know when or who to give way to." You always give way to the right, and I find people drive more carefully when lights are out of action, true you always get one or two idiots but those are the same people who jump lights (sorry signals!), speed and drive without any consideration to others anyway. Slow down!
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Mon 20 Jan 14

TauntonBloke29 says...

GoingGreen wrote:
Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars!
Lol...wow, you should work for the UN. What a brilliant and simple view of the world we live in.
[quote][p][bold]GoingGreen[/bold] wrote: Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars![/p][/quote]Lol...wow, you should work for the UN. What a brilliant and simple view of the world we live in. TauntonBloke29
  • Score: 1

8:00am Tue 21 Jan 14

Anonone says...

Slow down! wrote:
Do you mean the ones overlooking the canal?

I can just see a retired couple or young professional settling down with a nice glass of wine on their veranda over looking the canal on a nice summers evening being taunted by youths, drunks and druggies walking/stumbling along the tow path with the sound of rumbling traffic crossing the new bridge in the background.

What a lovely picture.
Don't forget the gnats and mosquitos
Who wants a kitchen on one floor and a lounge two floors up and no garages
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: Do you mean the ones overlooking the canal? I can just see a retired couple or young professional settling down with a nice glass of wine on their veranda over looking the canal on a nice summers evening being taunted by youths, drunks and druggies walking/stumbling along the tow path with the sound of rumbling traffic crossing the new bridge in the background. What a lovely picture.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the gnats and mosquitos Who wants a kitchen on one floor and a lounge two floors up and no garages Anonone
  • Score: 2

10:13am Tue 21 Jan 14

Slow down! says...

I've heard that Waitrose is pretty much a done deal at Firepool.

If in doubt let a supermarket go there, what a vision for the future of Taunton!
I've heard that Waitrose is pretty much a done deal at Firepool. If in doubt let a supermarket go there, what a vision for the future of Taunton! Slow down!
  • Score: 3

2:03pm Tue 21 Jan 14

GoingGreen says...

TauntonBloke29 wrote:
GoingGreen wrote:
Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars!
Lol...wow, you should work for the UN. What a brilliant and simple view of the world we live in.
Simple, but true!
[quote][p][bold]TauntonBloke29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoingGreen[/bold] wrote: Why people who drive through town on wet Saturday afternoons and during rush hour complain about congestion is beyond me. It's not the roads and signals that cause traffic, it's the cars![/p][/quote]Lol...wow, you should work for the UN. What a brilliant and simple view of the world we live in.[/p][/quote]Simple, but true! GoingGreen
  • Score: 0

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