Bridgwater cattle market homes decision due

This is The West Country: Sedgemoor District Council. Sedgemoor District Council.

SEDGEMOOR planners could give the all-clear to 200 homes on the former Bridgwater cattle market site off Bath Road at a meeting tomorrow (December 17).

The district council’s development control committee is recommended to okay the Housing Guild’s build bid.

Bridgwater Town Council has objected, arguing the “density and number of units appear excessive and design poor”, and 64 people have also signed a petition against the scheme.

However, a report to the meeting says the site is suitable for housing, and the development would “deliverarange of housing, contributions towards flood defences and primary school places and provision of outdoor play spaces.”

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8:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

twinkles says...

This petition... Where is it please?
This petition... Where is it please? twinkles

10:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

To late had to be in by 6th December.
To late had to be in by 6th December. MINIME2

9:12am Tue 17 Dec 13

twinkles says...

Good old Murky, right on the money with the up to the minute story then.
Good old Murky, right on the money with the up to the minute story then. twinkles

2:04pm Tue 17 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

These plans were passed this morning 17th at 11.10am with reservations.
These plans were passed this morning 17th at 11.10am with reservations. MINIME2

3:03pm Tue 17 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

Should read reccomendations NOT reservations .
Should read reccomendations NOT reservations . MINIME2

8:50pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Blue Owl says...

I was @ the Planning Committee meeting on Tuesday after submitting a written letter to the Members, as I was not aware of it being on the Agenda until the weekend, so therefore wasn't able to actually speak.
Due to only one speaker For and one Against able to speak, this is something that needs to be re-address. As whilst there may be Common themes running through either the Objectors Views or the Supporting stance, quite often there are extending views that should be voiced to the Commitee, especially on what is a Major Application to the SDC Planning Commitee.200 Homes
(Being Myself an Ex Member Having Sat on this Body for many years.) I consider that my experience in these matters are relevant, whether correct or not is for others to decide.
However, back to this Application, it was presented by the Case Officer, Rebecca Miller as quote " A Stand AloneApplication" The Cattle Market Site"
The number of units were deemed to be acceptable, with 15% of affordable home provision! staggered around the site! without being of a design structure that would make them stand out from the other homes on the Site, so one must applaud the developer on this.
My reservations come from the SCC Highways imput, they propose an inward access only from Lower Bath Rd.......No Exit. With the Egress/Exit onto Bristol Rd opposite Bradford Builders Merchants, via an increased width available by the demolishing of an adjoining house to the side Lane. Again no problem with this........Here is the rub however, we now learn from SCC Highways that due to a future Highway change to the right hand traffic lights from Dunball into the NDR access from Bristol Rd, they plan to extend the turn right Lane for EDF HGV and other Construction Traffic. So with this newly extended turn right it will encroach onto the yardage needed for traffic entering this Cattle Market Development.
They went on to say future development along the A38 corridor MAY come forward @ a future date, But not Now!!!!
So with this uncertainty, I was surprised that the Commitee passed this, without delaying for One or Two Commitee Cycles to get a clearer Highway answer. Cllr Jill Slocombe who was the only Councillor to vote against, asked her name to be recorded as a No vote. She was echoing my reservations.
There is a 4 way Junction with Traffic Light Control already on Bristol Rd And Union St, one would have thought the developer could have bought the Tyre Depot, or Public House in order to gain and provide a far better solution to access and Egress from the Market site.
The SDC Officer Nick Tate presented an overview of what potentially might come forward in the future for the other land along the rear of the Housing on Bristol Road up to and including the Cemetery ,Carnival Sheddings, Allotments, upto and including posibilities for the Old Cryptons Site, which already has Planning granted for a Hotel and other Industrial Units........
The point that seemed to be lost, was that Members, should not have had to listen to any other future plans for other adjoining sites, new School, Play area provision, as this will be obtained from the 200 properties within this application, and have no dependency on future Planning Gains......
InConclusion, I believe this Application was flawed, and should have been deferred for more information.......SC
C, had No Observation, within , this Major Application, but on a personal Application of mine which took 3 and Half years to be determined, for only 4 Semi -Detatched 3 bedroom houses on a Brown field site, they objected, denied the existing 2 Access & Egress Lanes, this simple application should have been dealt with in a matter of Months.........Not 3 1/2 years.
It seems to be, one rule for some and a completely different one for others,
No wonder, we are going to end up grid-locked when the Hincley C construction starts.
David L Preece
Before any of the Dimwitts respond, no I Hav'nt offered a ' Brown Envelope '
As this does'nt happen.
David L Preece
I was @ the Planning Committee meeting on Tuesday after submitting a written letter to the Members, as I was not aware of it being on the Agenda until the weekend, so therefore wasn't able to actually speak. Due to only one speaker For and one Against able to speak, this is something that needs to be re-address. As whilst there may be Common themes running through either the Objectors Views or the Supporting stance, quite often there are extending views that should be voiced to the Commitee, especially on what is a Major Application to the SDC Planning Commitee.200 Homes (Being Myself an Ex Member Having Sat on this Body for many years.) I consider that my experience in these matters are relevant, whether correct or not is for others to decide. However, back to this Application, it was presented by the Case Officer, Rebecca Miller as quote " A Stand AloneApplication" The Cattle Market Site" The number of units were deemed to be acceptable, with 15% of affordable home provision! staggered around the site! without being of a design structure that would make them stand out from the other homes on the Site, so one must applaud the developer on this. My reservations come from the SCC Highways imput, they propose an inward access only from Lower Bath Rd.......No Exit. With the Egress/Exit onto Bristol Rd opposite Bradford Builders Merchants, via an increased width available by the demolishing of an adjoining house to the side Lane. Again no problem with this........Here is the rub however, we now learn from SCC Highways that due to a future Highway change to the right hand traffic lights from Dunball into the NDR access from Bristol Rd, they plan to extend the turn right Lane for EDF HGV and other Construction Traffic. So with this newly extended turn right it will encroach onto the yardage needed for traffic entering this Cattle Market Development. They went on to say future development along the A38 corridor MAY come forward @ a future date, But not Now!!!! So with this uncertainty, I was surprised that the Commitee passed this, without delaying for One or Two Commitee Cycles to get a clearer Highway answer. Cllr Jill Slocombe who was the only Councillor to vote against, asked her name to be recorded as a No vote. She was echoing my reservations. There is a 4 way Junction with Traffic Light Control already on Bristol Rd And Union St, one would have thought the developer could have bought the Tyre Depot, or Public House in order to gain and provide a far better solution to access and Egress from the Market site. The SDC Officer Nick Tate presented an overview of what potentially might come forward in the future for the other land along the rear of the Housing on Bristol Road up to and including the Cemetery ,Carnival Sheddings, Allotments, upto and including posibilities for the Old Cryptons Site, which already has Planning granted for a Hotel and other Industrial Units........ The point that seemed to be lost, was that Members, should not have had to listen to any other future plans for other adjoining sites, new School, Play area provision, as this will be obtained from the 200 properties within this application, and have no dependency on future Planning Gains...... InConclusion, I believe this Application was flawed, and should have been deferred for more information.......SC C, had No Observation, within , this Major Application, but on a personal Application of mine which took 3 and Half years to be determined, for only 4 Semi -Detatched 3 bedroom houses on a Brown field site, they objected, denied the existing 2 Access & Egress Lanes, this simple application should have been dealt with in a matter of Months.........Not 3 1/2 years. It seems to be, one rule for some and a completely different one for others, No wonder, we are going to end up grid-locked when the Hincley C construction starts. David L Preece Before any of the Dimwitts respond, no I Hav'nt offered a ' Brown Envelope ' As this does'nt happen. David L Preece Blue Owl

9:10pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

Blue owl You obviously were not listening properly . The Lower Bath Road can be used as an entrance or exit as it is now. People who choose the exit road through the new estate can. Just as a matter of interest have you ever tried to exit Lower Bath Road onto the main A39 Bath Road ? especially during school and college term times it is quite an experience ! The date of the planning meeting for this application has been common knowledge for quite somtime the date to register to speak was 6th December 2013 how come you were not aware of it ?
Blue owl You obviously were not listening properly . The Lower Bath Road can be used as an entrance or exit as it is now. People who choose the exit road through the new estate can. Just as a matter of interest have you ever tried to exit Lower Bath Road onto the main A39 Bath Road ? especially during school and college term times it is quite an experience ! The date of the planning meeting for this application has been common knowledge for quite somtime the date to register to speak was 6th December 2013 how come you were not aware of it ? MINIME2

1:33pm Fri 20 Dec 13

swjoduk says...

How did the cattle lorries, meat wagons etc use to exit onto Bath Road. mUst of been a nightmare!

There are many housing estate roads which are a nightmare to exit onto the main road. Look at Wills Road, not good at all. What is really annoying is they could put traffic lights there as part of the cycleway works. The crossing could have moved to this point and been incoporated. Lack of foresight there it seems!

There is a development approached off Taunton Rd behind Tudor Way which will exit next to the BP garage where there is already a conflict of turning lanes into BP and for the Doctors to go and add to it.
How did the cattle lorries, meat wagons etc use to exit onto Bath Road. mUst of been a nightmare! There are many housing estate roads which are a nightmare to exit onto the main road. Look at Wills Road, not good at all. What is really annoying is they could put traffic lights there as part of the cycleway works. The crossing could have moved to this point and been incoporated. Lack of foresight there it seems! There is a development approached off Taunton Rd behind Tudor Way which will exit next to the BP garage where there is already a conflict of turning lanes into BP and for the Doctors to go and add to it. swjoduk

1:45pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

Swjoduk. The cattle market vehicles did not exit from the Bath road .On market days the barrier was raised and they left through Union Street.I don't think Wills road has 2 road junctions merging onto one. Union street and Lower Bath road with 3 takeaway customers parking everywhere except legally. Sometimes you cannot exit Union Street because of this parking or come into Lower Bath road from the A39 because of this parking . I think you can say we have a problem.
Swjoduk. The cattle market vehicles did not exit from the Bath road .On market days the barrier was raised and they left through Union Street.I don't think Wills road has 2 road junctions merging onto one. Union street and Lower Bath road with 3 takeaway customers parking everywhere except legally. Sometimes you cannot exit Union Street because of this parking or come into Lower Bath road from the A39 because of this parking . I think you can say we have a problem. MINIME2

1:45pm Fri 20 Dec 13

MINIME2 says...

Swjoduk. The cattle market vehicles did not exit from the Bath road .On market days the barrier was raised and they left through Union Street.I don't think Wills road has 2 road junctions merging onto one. Union street and Lower Bath road with 3 takeaway customers parking everywhere except legally. Sometimes you cannot exit Union Street because of this parking or come into Lower Bath road from the A39 because of this parking . I think you can say we have a problem.
Swjoduk. The cattle market vehicles did not exit from the Bath road .On market days the barrier was raised and they left through Union Street.I don't think Wills road has 2 road junctions merging onto one. Union street and Lower Bath road with 3 takeaway customers parking everywhere except legally. Sometimes you cannot exit Union Street because of this parking or come into Lower Bath road from the A39 because of this parking . I think you can say we have a problem. MINIME2

10:38pm Fri 20 Dec 13

swjoduk says...

How about the meat lorries from Bridgwater Beef and all the staff (my father included) how did they exit onto Bath Road. Guess it wasn't easy.

And yes you do have a problem, I have been stuck trying to get out in the past after being to the takeaways (parking legally) or when visiting the fishing shop and no spaces on Bath road left. You end up taking risks and going for it at times.
How about the meat lorries from Bridgwater Beef and all the staff (my father included) how did they exit onto Bath Road. Guess it wasn't easy. And yes you do have a problem, I have been stuck trying to get out in the past after being to the takeaways (parking legally) or when visiting the fishing shop and no spaces on Bath road left. You end up taking risks and going for it at times. swjoduk

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