Tesco's Northgate plans under fire

Tesco's Northgate plans under fire

Tesco's Northgate plans under fire

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ANYONE wanting to have their say on controversial plans to build a supermarket in Northgate has less than 48 hours left to register comments.

So far 37 replies by interested parties have been registered online for the application by Tesco to build a 24-hour Tesco Extra on land at Northgate.

The deadline follows a meeting of Bridgwater Town Council’s Plan-ning Panel last week, which saw members vote 4-1 in favour of objecting to the proposed development.

The plans have also met opposition from some residents, who feel it will be taking away green space by encroaching on the Brewery Field and fear it could lead to traffic congestion.

Nick Gibson of action group Bridgwater Forward spoke at the meeting after staging a demonstration on the proposed site where protesters held up flags to show the scale and size of the development.

He said: “Tesco will provide jobs but their efficiencies of scale only mean more will be lost elsewhere. Money will leave town and the local economy will decline.

“I want no more blight for Bridgwater and I urge you to bite back and object to this application.”

He suggested councillors meet with Shepton Mallet and Wellington town councils to ascertain the impact of large supermarkets.

Acting chairman Cllr John Turner (Hamp ward) said: “We understand the views held by people in the area but we are advisors and will put forward any objections made to be submitted to Sedgemoor District Council.”

Cllr Ian Tucker (Bridgwater Dunwear ward) said: “Bridgwater does not want another supermarket. We are short of playing fields and leisure facilities and that is what we need in the Brewery Field.”

He added he had undertaken a survey in Shepton Mallet which has a Tesco in the centre and said: “It’s been an absolute disaster. I can’t see how I can support this application.”

Cllr Pat Morley, Fairfax Ward, said simply: “It’s too big for the site it’s proposed for and I should recommend we vote against it.”

However, Cllr David Baker (Wyndham ward) supported the plans, saying: “We could have an improved green space and a better children’s play area financed by Tesco.

“Providing there are no planning issues I will support this application. What we’ve got now is an empty space which is a carbuncle in the middle of the town.”

He also declared a personal interest as a member of his family works at a Tesco store.

Cllr Mick Lerry of Victoria ward said: “At this stage I can’t support this application on planning grounds. I don’t feel there’s been any real modelling that I can see that will support the extra impact of traffic.”

He added he feared areas such as Chilton Street and Russell Place would be overcome with traffic and that the suggested 171 cycle parking spaces had not been implemented into Tesco’s designs.

Cllr Brian Smedley (Westover ward) was not on the panel but spoke at the meeting to object to the plans, saying: “Westover will be disastrously affected by this. It will take up public recreational space without recompense in the town. It will destroy shops in the town centre and the traffic proposals will result in chaos.”

The town council will recommend to Sedgemoor District Council that the plans be rejected.

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6:30pm Tue 27 Nov 12

scally666 says...

is it just the short sighted lefties that object???
is it just the short sighted lefties that object??? scally666
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11:47pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

scally666 wrote:
is it just the short sighted lefties that object???
How right you are, along with the Bridgwater Backward Forward Group,they think they speak for the Majority, but they don't . They are a group that lobby the Labour controlled Town Council. I am still waiting for anything positive to come from them.
Along with this paper, if the Local Flooding had'nt happened. Then guess what the front page would have been. Say no to Tesco!!
Regards Blue-Owl.
[quote][p][bold]scally666[/bold] wrote: is it just the short sighted lefties that object???[/p][/quote]How right you are, along with the Bridgwater Backward Forward Group,they think they speak for the Majority, but they don't . They are a group that lobby the Labour controlled Town Council. I am still waiting for anything positive to come from them. Along with this paper, if the Local Flooding had'nt happened. Then guess what the front page would have been. Say no to Tesco!! Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl
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12:29am Wed 28 Nov 12

Amused&Bemused says...

This Tesco is being proposed in the wrong location it should be on the haygrove site they don't have a supermarket up that end of town !!!!!!!!!!!
This Tesco is being proposed in the wrong location it should be on the haygrove site they don't have a supermarket up that end of town !!!!!!!!!!! Amused&Bemused
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6:51am Wed 28 Nov 12

bygeorge says...

People in and around Bridgwater only have so much money to spend, and if they spend it in Tescos, They wont be able to spend it in any other shops in Bridgwater, so other shops will die.
A prime example is the amount of petrol stations that have had to close due to supermarket fuel prices.
I think some lessons should be learnt by history.
People in and around Bridgwater only have so much money to spend, and if they spend it in Tescos, They wont be able to spend it in any other shops in Bridgwater, so other shops will die. A prime example is the amount of petrol stations that have had to close due to supermarket fuel prices. I think some lessons should be learnt by history. bygeorge
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9:21am Wed 28 Nov 12

cidreman says...

Folks ..
On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc .
The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover .
So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ...
The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago .
Have you told your Cllrs your views ..
Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ...
If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin ..
Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater)
Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ...
So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled
Folks .. On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc . The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover . So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ... The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago . Have you told your Cllrs your views .. Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ... If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin .. Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater) Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ... So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled cidreman
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11:25am Wed 28 Nov 12

artful280 says...

Its okay for a lot of the people on these forums to say Bridgwater is dying and we need a new Tescos whatever and wherever it is located, but a lot of people surrounding Brewery Field object to it there for a large number of reasons not just because we don`t want another supermarket in fact i would welcome a Tescos in this town but in the correct location.

1) Increased traffic on already congested roads and junctions.
2) noise and light pollution eliminating from the store 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
3) Loss of greenfield space in central Bridgwater
4) Increased commuter parking in surrounding roads due to reduction of Long stay parking facilities
5) Loss of historic buildings, plus relocation of the Enterprise Centre.
6) Disruption, noise and dust due to building works for over a year while the building works are on.
7) The total lack of architectural integrity, in that it will be a steel and glass monstrosity totally out if keeping with the locality.
8) Reduction in house prices and difficulty in selling due to the nearby location of the store
etc....

I know many of you say its another NIMBY rant but hand on heart how many of you can say they wouldn't object to the huge store being built next door to you?
Its okay for a lot of the people on these forums to say Bridgwater is dying and we need a new Tescos whatever and wherever it is located, but a lot of people surrounding Brewery Field object to it there for a large number of reasons not just because we don`t want another supermarket in fact i would welcome a Tescos in this town but in the correct location. 1) Increased traffic on already congested roads and junctions. 2) noise and light pollution eliminating from the store 24 hours a day 7 days a week. 3) Loss of greenfield space in central Bridgwater 4) Increased commuter parking in surrounding roads due to reduction of Long stay parking facilities 5) Loss of historic buildings, plus relocation of the Enterprise Centre. 6) Disruption, noise and dust due to building works for over a year while the building works are on. 7) The total lack of architectural integrity, in that it will be a steel and glass monstrosity totally out if keeping with the locality. 8) Reduction in house prices and difficulty in selling due to the nearby location of the store etc.... I know many of you say its another NIMBY rant but hand on heart how many of you can say they wouldn't object to the huge store being built next door to you? artful280
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12:08pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

bygeorge wrote:
People in and around Bridgwater only have so much money to spend, and if they spend it in Tescos, They wont be able to spend it in any other shops in Bridgwater, so other shops will die.
A prime example is the amount of petrol stations that have had to close due to supermarket fuel prices.
I think some lessons should be learnt by history.
Cidreman, I have read your ' Posted Comment, of which not surprisingly I agree with you whole heatedly, in fact it could have been submitted by me! We have to wake up and realise that as you say, there are no Major Retailers (Non Food ) that will be prepared to open the " Retail Stores" that would attract extra visitors to shop in our Town, as the costs and footfall spending are not viable to them.
If there were one, we would then have an outcry from all and Sundary , ie, what if there was a Debenham,-John Lewis -; or other even Marks & Spencer returning to the Town, it's not going to happen. Even if we all put it on our wish list for Christmas.!! So we must deal with reality, by encouraging those Companies that are willing to look at Bridgwater as sound investment. That's how the Real World Works.
Regards Blue-Owl
AKA David Preece
[quote][p][bold]bygeorge[/bold] wrote: People in and around Bridgwater only have so much money to spend, and if they spend it in Tescos, They wont be able to spend it in any other shops in Bridgwater, so other shops will die. A prime example is the amount of petrol stations that have had to close due to supermarket fuel prices. I think some lessons should be learnt by history.[/p][/quote]Cidreman, I have read your ' Posted Comment, of which not surprisingly I agree with you whole heatedly, in fact it could have been submitted by me! We have to wake up and realise that as you say, there are no Major Retailers (Non Food ) that will be prepared to open the " Retail Stores" that would attract extra visitors to shop in our Town, as the costs and footfall spending are not viable to them. If there were one, we would then have an outcry from all and Sundary , ie, what if there was a Debenham,-John Lewis -; or other even Marks & Spencer returning to the Town, it's not going to happen. Even if we all put it on our wish list for Christmas.!! So we must deal with reality, by encouraging those Companies that are willing to look at Bridgwater as sound investment. That's how the Real World Works. Regards Blue-Owl AKA David Preece Blue Owl
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12:18pm Wed 28 Nov 12

cidreman says...

Artful280
All your comments are valid ...but the development of Northgate as been planned for years ...The Town Council were aware of it ...from the early stages when the Old Blake Hospital was declassified from being a listed building ...Court Room closed , Police Station being moved , Enterprise Centre closing ..all pieces in a jigsaw ...The Town Cllrs all knew !? ..
Its a shame the Hospital site is not vacant ..Ideal Tesco ! ..maybe
But I guess the Town Cllrs will agree to build houses and flats on that area !! ....or maybe site a Portacabin for a Post -Office !
Artful280 All your comments are valid ...but the development of Northgate as been planned for years ...The Town Council were aware of it ...from the early stages when the Old Blake Hospital was declassified from being a listed building ...Court Room closed , Police Station being moved , Enterprise Centre closing ..all pieces in a jigsaw ...The Town Cllrs all knew !? .. Its a shame the Hospital site is not vacant ..Ideal Tesco ! ..maybe But I guess the Town Cllrs will agree to build houses and flats on that area !! ....or maybe site a Portacabin for a Post -Office ! cidreman
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5:07pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

cidreman wrote:
Artful280
All your comments are valid ...but the development of Northgate as been planned for years ...The Town Council were aware of it ...from the early stages when the Old Blake Hospital was declassified from being a listed building ...Court Room closed , Police Station being moved , Enterprise Centre closing ..all pieces in a jigsaw ...The Town Cllrs all knew !? ..
Its a shame the Hospital site is not vacant ..Ideal Tesco ! ..maybe
But I guess the Town Cllrs will agree to build houses and flats on that area !! ....or maybe site a Portacabin for a Post -Office !
It will be interesting to see how and what the Bridgwater (Backward)Forward Members will along with the BTC propose for the Re- Development of indeed not only the Hospital Site, as and when the new one opens @ Bower in 2013-14. But this potentially can also provide development potential not only for Salmon Parade, Monmouth St and Eastover. A very large Site, so how about a Leisure Complex on the site, perfectly located for the Whole Community, could be built by 2017-18.
The rub comes, when you look at who is able to Finance such a project ?
The Hospital itself, will look to realise as much as market value will dictate, with the possibility of a Hotel on the Monmouth St Eastover Jnt, and Aldi already looking to relocate there are many options. To start with the " Civic Town Enhancement Fund £240.000 +
would be a very useful contribution to a Scheme that adds life to Eastover Regeneration, better than it being spent on the Mayors Parlour in Town Hall. also there are other monies coming into the BTC Coffers shortly, with releasing of land.
What a legacy that would be for Bridgwater,!! I wait with baited breath.
Regards Blue-Owl
P.s Perhaps EDF could match fund so their Workers have a leisure outlet to use, or will they all be able to play 5 aside football on the pitches being provided @ Bath Rd sites. Other than go drinking there is little else to occupy their evenings.....i
[quote][p][bold]cidreman[/bold] wrote: Artful280 All your comments are valid ...but the development of Northgate as been planned for years ...The Town Council were aware of it ...from the early stages when the Old Blake Hospital was declassified from being a listed building ...Court Room closed , Police Station being moved , Enterprise Centre closing ..all pieces in a jigsaw ...The Town Cllrs all knew !? .. Its a shame the Hospital site is not vacant ..Ideal Tesco ! ..maybe But I guess the Town Cllrs will agree to build houses and flats on that area !! ....or maybe site a Portacabin for a Post -Office ![/p][/quote]It will be interesting to see how and what the Bridgwater (Backward)Forward Members will along with the BTC propose for the Re- Development of indeed not only the Hospital Site, as and when the new one opens @ Bower in 2013-14. But this potentially can also provide development potential not only for Salmon Parade, Monmouth St and Eastover. A very large Site, so how about a Leisure Complex on the site, perfectly located for the Whole Community, could be built by 2017-18. The rub comes, when you look at who is able to Finance such a project ? The Hospital itself, will look to realise as much as market value will dictate, with the possibility of a Hotel on the Monmouth St Eastover Jnt, and Aldi already looking to relocate there are many options. To start with the " Civic Town Enhancement Fund £240.000 + would be a very useful contribution to a Scheme that adds life to Eastover Regeneration, better than it being spent on the Mayors Parlour in Town Hall. also there are other monies coming into the BTC Coffers shortly, with releasing of land. What a legacy that would be for Bridgwater,!! I wait with baited breath. Regards Blue-Owl P.s Perhaps EDF could match fund so their Workers have a leisure outlet to use, or will they all be able to play 5 aside football on the pitches being provided @ Bath Rd sites. Other than go drinking there is little else to occupy their evenings.....i Blue Owl
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5:56pm Wed 28 Nov 12

the voice of common sense says...

Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet.

Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader!
Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet. Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader! the voice of common sense
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9:31pm Wed 28 Nov 12

bts73 says...

we don't need another supermarket, we need a cannabis cafe. we should sack all the useless parasitic councillors until they decide to do something that the public really want.
we don't need another supermarket, we need a cannabis cafe. we should sack all the useless parasitic councillors until they decide to do something that the public really want. bts73
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10:11pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Bridgwater Forward says “it’s time Sedgemoor Tories declared an interest!” http://bridgwaterfor
ward.blogspot.co.uk/
2012/11/bridgwater-f
orward-says-its-time
.html
Bridgwater Forward says “it’s time Sedgemoor Tories declared an interest!” http://bridgwaterfor ward.blogspot.co.uk/ 2012/11/bridgwater-f orward-says-its-time .html Cllr Brian Smedley
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11:19pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto.

Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power.
Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto. Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power. Bridgy old Boy
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12:05am Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Bridgwater Forward says “it’s time Sedgemoor Tories declared an interest!” http://bridgwaterfor

ward.blogspot.co.uk/

2012/11/bridgwater-f

orward-says-its-time

.html
At last we hear from Cllr Smedley, so Cllr you are alluding to what ? When you make the statement that Quote " Sedgemoor Tories declare an interest" I don't remember you declaring an interest, and leaving the Council Chamber when discussions were taking place, as a Speaker for Bridgwater Forward.!!.
Blue- Owl
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Bridgwater Forward says “it’s time Sedgemoor Tories declared an interest!” http://bridgwaterfor ward.blogspot.co.uk/ 2012/11/bridgwater-f orward-says-its-time .html[/p][/quote]At last we hear from Cllr Smedley, so Cllr you are alluding to what ? When you make the statement that Quote " Sedgemoor Tories declare an interest" I don't remember you declaring an interest, and leaving the Council Chamber when discussions were taking place, as a Speaker for Bridgwater Forward.!!. Blue- Owl Blue Owl
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12:21am Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Bridgy old Boy wrote:
Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto.

Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power.
As, I have stated each planning application is judged on its individual merit on Planning Commitee@ SDC. The Applicant has their time to speak or their agent, then the For and against the proposal, if any are heard. Then the Planning Officer layout the Case File, every Member is then allowed to state their individual views on the proposal b4 them, after which the vote is taken. carried or Denied on a majority Decision. If a Member of Council has either personal or prejudicial interest they have to declare them and leave the Council Chamber Prior to any debate.......So with all planning applications they are considered on Merit. As should be the case, and is. Any member of the Public is entitled to attend Commitee meetings, and make written statements which are circulated b4 the meeting to the Members, or on the day if they come in late. The point raised about SDC being the Planning Authority is correct, but the BTC also meet and consider all Bridgwater Applications, along with County Council Highways.
I am no Eco green warrier as Posted in recent postings on this Topic, but looked at each Planning Application on its Merit. As we should.....
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Bridgy old Boy[/bold] wrote: Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto. Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power.[/p][/quote]As, I have stated each planning application is judged on its individual merit on Planning Commitee@ SDC. The Applicant has their time to speak or their agent, then the For and against the proposal, if any are heard. Then the Planning Officer layout the Case File, every Member is then allowed to state their individual views on the proposal b4 them, after which the vote is taken. carried or Denied on a majority Decision. If a Member of Council has either personal or prejudicial interest they have to declare them and leave the Council Chamber Prior to any debate.......So with all planning applications they are considered on Merit. As should be the case, and is. Any member of the Public is entitled to attend Commitee meetings, and make written statements which are circulated b4 the meeting to the Members, or on the day if they come in late. The point raised about SDC being the Planning Authority is correct, but the BTC also meet and consider all Bridgwater Applications, along with County Council Highways. I am no Eco green warrier as Posted in recent postings on this Topic, but looked at each Planning Application on its Merit. As we should..... Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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1:34am Thu 29 Nov 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Dear Mr Blue
I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record.
There's other views out there.
Here's some more.
http://sedgemoorlabo
ur.blogspot.co.uk/20
12/11/outrage-as-cou
ncil-chief-authorise
s.html
Mr Red
Dear Mr Blue I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record. There's other views out there. Here's some more. http://sedgemoorlabo ur.blogspot.co.uk/20 12/11/outrage-as-cou ncil-chief-authorise s.html Mr Red Cllr Brian Smedley
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1:34am Thu 29 Nov 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Dear Mr Blue
I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record.
There's other views out there.
Here's some more.
http://sedgemoorlabo
ur.blogspot.co.uk/20
12/11/outrage-as-cou
ncil-chief-authorise
s.html
Mr Red
Dear Mr Blue I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record. There's other views out there. Here's some more. http://sedgemoorlabo ur.blogspot.co.uk/20 12/11/outrage-as-cou ncil-chief-authorise s.html Mr Red Cllr Brian Smedley
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9:36am Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Dear Mr Blue
I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record.
There's other views out there.
Here's some more.
http://sedgemoorlabo

ur.blogspot.co.uk/20

12/11/outrage-as-cou

ncil-chief-authorise

s.html
Mr Red
Cllr Smedley, I like yourself hold deep seated personal views, but unlike yourself and your Bridgwater Forward
( Backward) Group do not purport to represent 63% of the Residents as you and they do !!!!!
Similarly, when your Group Campaigned re Splash Closure, again whilst you did have and get some support for your perspective on what could have been An outcome, again, whilst I applaud the 6000 + Signatures
That again does not and did not give a true representation of Bridgwater Residents views as to what was being proposed and offered. Of course Cllr Smedley you and I are ever unlikely to agree on many things, or indeed anything. So we must agree to disagree, but don't ever presume to speak and represent people who have not expressly given you or your Campaign Group their consent to do so.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Dear Mr Blue I didn't mean to interupt your monologue on this forum, I was just offering an alternative web site in case you wanted to change the record. There's other views out there. Here's some more. http://sedgemoorlabo ur.blogspot.co.uk/20 12/11/outrage-as-cou ncil-chief-authorise s.html Mr Red[/p][/quote]Cllr Smedley, I like yourself hold deep seated personal views, but unlike yourself and your Bridgwater Forward ( Backward) Group do not purport to represent 63% of the Residents as you and they do !!!!! Similarly, when your Group Campaigned re Splash Closure, again whilst you did have and get some support for your perspective on what could have been An outcome, again, whilst I applaud the 6000 + Signatures That again does not and did not give a true representation of Bridgwater Residents views as to what was being proposed and offered. Of course Cllr Smedley you and I are ever unlikely to agree on many things, or indeed anything. So we must agree to disagree, but don't ever presume to speak and represent people who have not expressly given you or your Campaign Group their consent to do so. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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10:56am Thu 29 Nov 12

artful280 says...

the voice of common sense wrote:
Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet.

Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader!
Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !!
[quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet. Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader![/p][/quote]Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !! artful280
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4:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

artful280 wrote:
the voice of common sense wrote:
Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet.

Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader!
Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !!
Artful 280, Whilst housing prices are being suppressed at present, everywhere the market value of Old and New properties are difficult to sell, with the incoming Employment Boom that will start soon, there is sure then to be demand.EDF, Morrisons, and numerous others. There will always be a demand for Town Centre properties, not everyone drives, and having a Tesco's store could be a reason why a buyer would be interested in housing in the Blacklands - Cambden Rd part of the Town. Do you have conclusive prove from the Towns Estate Agents that prices in the surrounding area to Northgate have seen a significant market fall, I would be interested to hear.
As for those that say that the Store will
Diminish the Brewery Field, there are to be improvements to the Play Facilities, within a 106 Agreement.
I've stated in previous " Post " the Town is changing and offering new possibilities to Residents, we can not put our heads in the sand, hoping that if we do nothing, things will stay the same. They certainly will not.!!
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]artful280[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet. Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader![/p][/quote]Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !![/p][/quote]Artful 280, Whilst housing prices are being suppressed at present, everywhere the market value of Old and New properties are difficult to sell, with the incoming Employment Boom that will start soon, there is sure then to be demand.EDF, Morrisons, and numerous others. There will always be a demand for Town Centre properties, not everyone drives, and having a Tesco's store could be a reason why a buyer would be interested in housing in the Blacklands - Cambden Rd part of the Town. Do you have conclusive prove from the Towns Estate Agents that prices in the surrounding area to Northgate have seen a significant market fall, I would be interested to hear. As for those that say that the Store will Diminish the Brewery Field, there are to be improvements to the Play Facilities, within a 106 Agreement. I've stated in previous " Post " the Town is changing and offering new possibilities to Residents, we can not put our heads in the sand, hoping that if we do nothing, things will stay the same. They certainly will not.!! Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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8:13pm Thu 29 Nov 12

frags27 says...

It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater.
It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater. frags27
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9:43pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St.
The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us....
Regards-Blue-Owl.
Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St. The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us.... Regards-Blue-Owl. Blue Owl
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10:01pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

frags27 wrote:
It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater.
Frags, You asked Two questions in your Post, Why is the Supermarket being built on Brewery Field? And not on 'Brown Field', Well the part of Tesco's that is encroaching onto Brewery Field is small in relation to the whole Site for Parking, Retail Shopping and their Deliveries. The old Splash & Car park thro to and behind the Court Building and Police Station including the SCC land which housed the Enterprise Unit, so indeed this is at least 90% Brown Field Development .
Some, have made comments as why does'nt Tesco go to the Old Hospital Site, well the answer is that it would be at least 2 yrs b4 that Site became available, for development.
With the increase of residents over the next 10 years, we will be glad to have another food & non food retailer in the Town. We are expanding, whether you like it or not.
Regards Blue-Owl.
[quote][p][bold]frags27[/bold] wrote: It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater.[/p][/quote]Frags, You asked Two questions in your Post, Why is the Supermarket being built on Brewery Field? And not on 'Brown Field', Well the part of Tesco's that is encroaching onto Brewery Field is small in relation to the whole Site for Parking, Retail Shopping and their Deliveries. The old Splash & Car park thro to and behind the Court Building and Police Station including the SCC land which housed the Enterprise Unit, so indeed this is at least 90% Brown Field Development . Some, have made comments as why does'nt Tesco go to the Old Hospital Site, well the answer is that it would be at least 2 yrs b4 that Site became available, for development. With the increase of residents over the next 10 years, we will be glad to have another food & non food retailer in the Town. We are expanding, whether you like it or not. Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl
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9:10am Fri 30 Nov 12

cidreman says...

The Town Council Fundamentlly has very little power !

So why do we waste £500k every year having it ..
Labour controlled they have no power to change anything within the Town ...
The Town Council Fundamentlly has very little power ! So why do we waste £500k every year having it .. Labour controlled they have no power to change anything within the Town ... cidreman
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9:24am Fri 30 Nov 12

sheldoncooper says...

With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ?
With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ? sheldoncooper
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9:51am Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

sheldoncooper wrote:
With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ?
SheldonCooper- I can hear Bridgwater(backward)
Forward Members along with Cllr Smedley " Saying over our dead bodies" Waitrose in Bridgwater !!!!!. Obviously as you would expect I personally would welcome such an approach from Waitrose to build a Retail Store in Bridgwater. Then that certainly would be the key indicator that indeed we are heading in the right direction.
They are always seen to locate in Prime Towns and Cities, Wellington & Salisbury to name a couple.
I say Bring it On !!!!!!!!!
Regards Blue-Owl..
[quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ?[/p][/quote]SheldonCooper- I can hear Bridgwater(backward) Forward Members along with Cllr Smedley " Saying over our dead bodies" Waitrose in Bridgwater !!!!!. Obviously as you would expect I personally would welcome such an approach from Waitrose to build a Retail Store in Bridgwater. Then that certainly would be the key indicator that indeed we are heading in the right direction. They are always seen to locate in Prime Towns and Cities, Wellington & Salisbury to name a couple. I say Bring it On !!!!!!!!! Regards Blue-Owl.. Blue Owl
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10:49am Fri 30 Nov 12

sheldoncooper says...

Blue Owl wrote:
sheldoncooper wrote:
With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ?
SheldonCooper- I can hear Bridgwater(backward)

Forward Members along with Cllr Smedley " Saying over our dead bodies" Waitrose in Bridgwater !!!!!. Obviously as you would expect I personally would welcome such an approach from Waitrose to build a Retail Store in Bridgwater. Then that certainly would be the key indicator that indeed we are heading in the right direction.
They are always seen to locate in Prime Towns and Cities, Wellington & Salisbury to name a couple.
I say Bring it On !!!!!!!!!
Regards Blue-Owl..
You're obviously not quite the sort of client for Waitrose - to many "I's" and not enough "one's"..... One says bring it on !...LOL
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sheldoncooper[/bold] wrote: With all the up market clientele the town has attracted over the last 2 - 3 years surely we should be campaigning for a Waitrose ?[/p][/quote]SheldonCooper- I can hear Bridgwater(backward) Forward Members along with Cllr Smedley " Saying over our dead bodies" Waitrose in Bridgwater !!!!!. Obviously as you would expect I personally would welcome such an approach from Waitrose to build a Retail Store in Bridgwater. Then that certainly would be the key indicator that indeed we are heading in the right direction. They are always seen to locate in Prime Towns and Cities, Wellington & Salisbury to name a couple. I say Bring it On !!!!!!!!! Regards Blue-Owl..[/p][/quote]You're obviously not quite the sort of client for Waitrose - to many "I's" and not enough "one's"..... One says bring it on !...LOL sheldoncooper
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11:03am Fri 30 Nov 12

cidreman says...

Maybe Cllr Smedley can tell us about the Civic Enhancement Fund (£247,000 ) sitting in Nat-West Bank .
Your Council Tax ...
What does the Labour Group intend to spend it ..(Maybe repairing a Banner )
And what are The Labour Groups Forward Plan for Bridgwater
Or do we ask The Forward Group ..who controls who . .
Maybe Cllr Smedley can tell us about the Civic Enhancement Fund (£247,000 ) sitting in Nat-West Bank . Your Council Tax ... What does the Labour Group intend to spend it ..(Maybe repairing a Banner ) And what are The Labour Groups Forward Plan for Bridgwater Or do we ask The Forward Group ..who controls who . . cidreman
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1:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

artful280 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
artful280 wrote:
the voice of common sense wrote:
Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet.

Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader!
Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !!
Artful 280, Whilst housing prices are being suppressed at present, everywhere the market value of Old and New properties are difficult to sell, with the incoming Employment Boom that will start soon, there is sure then to be demand.EDF, Morrisons, and numerous others. There will always be a demand for Town Centre properties, not everyone drives, and having a Tesco's store could be a reason why a buyer would be interested in housing in the Blacklands - Cambden Rd part of the Town. Do you have conclusive prove from the Towns Estate Agents that prices in the surrounding area to Northgate have seen a significant market fall, I would be interested to hear.
As for those that say that the Store will
Diminish the Brewery Field, there are to be improvements to the Play Facilities, within a 106 Agreement.
I've stated in previous " Post " the Town is changing and offering new possibilities to Residents, we can not put our heads in the sand, hoping that if we do nothing, things will stay the same. They certainly will not.!!
Regards Blue-Owl
Its not about things staying the same, its about suitability for a Tesco extra store in what is essentially a residential area. Although i have no conclusive proof about house prices it is quite obvious that a flat overlooking a huge Tesco supermarket/carpark is not going to attract as many buyers and price as one overlooking a green field /play area.
I have made it point 8 in my list as it is not of primary concern , but have you have any comments on any other of my points , or do you not really care about the local residents and what they will have to put up with with such a development next door to them.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artful280[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the voice of common sense[/bold] wrote: Demolish the Eastover, Broadway, Salmon parade triangle, build Tesco there and leave the brewery field for what it is intended, letting the bridgwater backwards dogs use it as a toilet. Judging by point 8 artful280 must live near the proposed site as he is worrid about his house price, must be a daily mail reader![/p][/quote]Yes i do live near the site. In Blacklands to be precise. And yes i am worried what affect it will have on the price of my house, but the quality of life for myself wife and child comes before that. If the only sensible comment you have about my points is what paper i read then i would change your username if i were you !![/p][/quote]Artful 280, Whilst housing prices are being suppressed at present, everywhere the market value of Old and New properties are difficult to sell, with the incoming Employment Boom that will start soon, there is sure then to be demand.EDF, Morrisons, and numerous others. There will always be a demand for Town Centre properties, not everyone drives, and having a Tesco's store could be a reason why a buyer would be interested in housing in the Blacklands - Cambden Rd part of the Town. Do you have conclusive prove from the Towns Estate Agents that prices in the surrounding area to Northgate have seen a significant market fall, I would be interested to hear. As for those that say that the Store will Diminish the Brewery Field, there are to be improvements to the Play Facilities, within a 106 Agreement. I've stated in previous " Post " the Town is changing and offering new possibilities to Residents, we can not put our heads in the sand, hoping that if we do nothing, things will stay the same. They certainly will not.!! Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Its not about things staying the same, its about suitability for a Tesco extra store in what is essentially a residential area. Although i have no conclusive proof about house prices it is quite obvious that a flat overlooking a huge Tesco supermarket/carpark is not going to attract as many buyers and price as one overlooking a green field /play area. I have made it point 8 in my list as it is not of primary concern , but have you have any comments on any other of my points , or do you not really care about the local residents and what they will have to put up with with such a development next door to them. artful280
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2:00pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

frags27 wrote:
It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater.
Frags, Forgive me but I have re-read your Post, either my contact Lenses r playing up, I don't know I can only see Point 1 & 2 in the Post.!!!
Where your Numbered Points 3-8 are !
You point out the problem you have negotiating to and from Town to the Motorway Accesses, I agree with you.
Personally, your Questions with regard my not replying to other valid posts you raise, I am already being accused by Cllr Brian Smedley, for according to him writing MONOLOGUE S WHEN ADDING MY , I STRESS PERSONAL VIEWS, !!!! It takes more than one line
Comments to inform as to what is going on.! Would'nt it be good to have real imput from himself, he is one of the Elected Cllrs forcing the Labour Groups & B B F Agenda.
Regards Blue-Owl.
[quote][p][bold]frags27[/bold] wrote: It seems to me there are two main issues, 1. Does Bridgwater need another Supermarket and 2. Why is it best placed in the Brewery Field anyway. A brownfield site is the best way to address this away from immediate housing. Yes EDF will bring lots of people into the immediate area which means supermarkets in general will do better anyway with this extra influx of people. Property developers gain as all the extra housing to be built on the Cellophane site, Rugby club and it makes Bridgwater a good business prospect. However what it doesn't do is improve the current road structure and it will not cope with this extra increase. I never realised how bad the traffic was until this week where I had the unfortunate task of trying to get to Taunton and get out of the Town at 8:30am and back through the town at 3pm. How do the commuters put up with it who have to do this journey everyday. I drove an extra motorway junction in the wrong way to get out of Bridgwater and double backed. 3pm today and the traffic is queued from Cross Rifles all the way back past Mole Valley to get into Bridgwater and from Junction 24 of the M5 to get into Bridgwater. What most it be like at 5pm to get in and out. How on earth is Bath Road going to cope without an urgent road built it is already not able to cope without this and the Hospital being open or officially built. Thankfully I won't have to do this journey for much more than a week but lets say I can get to Street and back whilst the People in Bridgwater are still stuck trying to get in and out of the Town. I drove through Taunton and yes it has traffic problems but.. that is not as bad as what I have experienced in Bridgwater.[/p][/quote]Frags, Forgive me but I have re-read your Post, either my contact Lenses r playing up, I don't know I can only see Point 1 & 2 in the Post.!!! Where your Numbered Points 3-8 are ! You point out the problem you have negotiating to and from Town to the Motorway Accesses, I agree with you. Personally, your Questions with regard my not replying to other valid posts you raise, I am already being accused by Cllr Brian Smedley, for according to him writing MONOLOGUE S WHEN ADDING MY , I STRESS PERSONAL VIEWS, !!!! It takes more than one line Comments to inform as to what is going on.! Would'nt it be good to have real imput from himself, he is one of the Elected Cllrs forcing the Labour Groups & B B F Agenda. Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl
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2:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

swjoduk says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St. The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us.... Regards-Blue-Owl.
How about the Colley Lane Southern Distributor road or whatever it was called, will it ever be built??

I agree, a bypass from Dunball to Cannington would have been ideal.

Maybe the road from Bristol Road over the railway to Bath Road could help ease traffic a little.

How about a Western north south route, perhaps they should have looked at a road from J24 to the A39 at Cannington.

As for Waitrose, perhaps a suitable site on the 'favoured' west side would be appropriate if they ever came to Bridgwater.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St. The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us.... Regards-Blue-Owl.[/p][/quote]How about the Colley Lane Southern Distributor road or whatever it was called, will it ever be built?? I agree, a bypass from Dunball to Cannington would have been ideal. Maybe the road from Bristol Road over the railway to Bath Road could help ease traffic a little. How about a Western north south route, perhaps they should have looked at a road from J24 to the A39 at Cannington. As for Waitrose, perhaps a suitable site on the 'favoured' west side would be appropriate if they ever came to Bridgwater. swjoduk
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2:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Bridgy old Boy wrote:
Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto.

Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power.
Bridge old Boy. You seem to have misread as to why In my personal viewpoint the potential of building new houses on a land that has flooded ever since I was @ Secondary School. The overflow stream from Durleigh Reservoir runs along the lower Fairfield . Secondly the Fairfield was given to Town. Forever!! So, why make an access across it to gain access to land that is on a Flood Plain, I told it is at present underwater, No Surprise there then !,,,
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Bridgy old Boy[/bold] wrote: Ah Blue Owl so you want to encourage developers well why not...I will start by naming David Wilson Homes; Joe Notaro and Summerfield. But wait a minute you are against development on green fields......when of course it suits you ie in Durleigh but when it comes to the destruction of Brewery Field bring it on his your motto. Whilst cidreman conveniently forgets that it is Tory Controlled Sedgemoor District Council that are the planning authority and effectively have the ultimate sway over what goes on in Bridgwater. The Town Council fundamentally has very little power.[/p][/quote]Bridge old Boy. You seem to have misread as to why In my personal viewpoint the potential of building new houses on a land that has flooded ever since I was @ Secondary School. The overflow stream from Durleigh Reservoir runs along the lower Fairfield . Secondly the Fairfield was given to Town. Forever!! So, why make an access across it to gain access to land that is on a Flood Plain, I told it is at present underwater, No Surprise there then !,,, Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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4:02pm Fri 30 Nov 12

kathline.dickson@sky.com says...

Tesco give the impression that they can save everyone money by shopping with them, in fact they are more expensive than other supermarkets. My daughter -in- law in Yeovil has stopped shopping with Tesco and has saved twenty pounds a week with another supermarket in Yeovil, one that we already have in Bridgwater. Once we lose our green spaces in the town we can never get them back again, our young people need somewhere to play, kick a ball, run around and play games.
The proposed building is far too big for the site and far too near the residential area. Perhaps the council will reduce the council tax for all those living next to the proposed site as it will become a semi - industrial area with lorries in and out twenty four hours a day.
Tesco give the impression that they can save everyone money by shopping with them, in fact they are more expensive than other supermarkets. My daughter -in- law in Yeovil has stopped shopping with Tesco and has saved twenty pounds a week with another supermarket in Yeovil, one that we already have in Bridgwater. Once we lose our green spaces in the town we can never get them back again, our young people need somewhere to play, kick a ball, run around and play games. The proposed building is far too big for the site and far too near the residential area. Perhaps the council will reduce the council tax for all those living next to the proposed site as it will become a semi - industrial area with lorries in and out twenty four hours a day. kathline.dickson@sky.com
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5:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

sheldoncooper says...

kathline.dickson@sky
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wrote:
Tesco give the impression that they can save everyone money by shopping with them, in fact they are more expensive than other supermarkets. My daughter -in- law in Yeovil has stopped shopping with Tesco and has saved twenty pounds a week with another supermarket in Yeovil, one that we already have in Bridgwater. Once we lose our green spaces in the town we can never get them back again, our young people need somewhere to play, kick a ball, run around and play games.
The proposed building is far too big for the site and far too near the residential area. Perhaps the council will reduce the council tax for all those living next to the proposed site as it will become a semi - industrial area with lorries in and out twenty four hours a day.
The whole of Bridgwater is a semi industrial area. I note Frags points about traffic being tailed back to Mole Valley - well on Bower Manor we have to put up with that everyday, and once the Hospital is built and the new housing on the Cello site its going to get worse.

Its getting as bad as coming in from Taunton Road and I suspect West Street and North Street is the same ( although I don't go further than Cornhill as I get a nosebleed).

None of us is safe from and it isn't going to get any better.
[quote][p][bold]kathline.dickson@sky .com[/bold] wrote: Tesco give the impression that they can save everyone money by shopping with them, in fact they are more expensive than other supermarkets. My daughter -in- law in Yeovil has stopped shopping with Tesco and has saved twenty pounds a week with another supermarket in Yeovil, one that we already have in Bridgwater. Once we lose our green spaces in the town we can never get them back again, our young people need somewhere to play, kick a ball, run around and play games. The proposed building is far too big for the site and far too near the residential area. Perhaps the council will reduce the council tax for all those living next to the proposed site as it will become a semi - industrial area with lorries in and out twenty four hours a day.[/p][/quote]The whole of Bridgwater is a semi industrial area. I note Frags points about traffic being tailed back to Mole Valley - well on Bower Manor we have to put up with that everyday, and once the Hospital is built and the new housing on the Cello site its going to get worse. Its getting as bad as coming in from Taunton Road and I suspect West Street and North Street is the same ( although I don't go further than Cornhill as I get a nosebleed). None of us is safe from and it isn't going to get any better. sheldoncooper
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6:11pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

swjoduk wrote:
Blue Owl wrote:
Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St. The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us.... Regards-Blue-Owl.
How about the Colley Lane Southern Distributor road or whatever it was called, will it ever be built??

I agree, a bypass from Dunball to Cannington would have been ideal.

Maybe the road from Bristol Road over the railway to Bath Road could help ease traffic a little.

How about a Western north south route, perhaps they should have looked at a road from J24 to the A39 at Cannington.

As for Waitrose, perhaps a suitable site on the 'favoured' west side would be appropriate if they ever came to Bridgwater.
There is to be a link, at some time when the SCC get on with it, !! The money is there from the housing Dev @ Stockmoor. There is to be a link from Taunton Rd over the River and Canal, but for some reason there is a delay, of which they are not giving answers that will give a start and completion time,,,,. As a Cllr I raised the question as to why from this link into Colley Lane Ind Est, they could not create a new exit from Colley Lane out connecting into Dunwear Lane, going one step even further, I proposed that they could upgrade both Dunwear and Bower Lane with lighting and pathways and drainage, so as there would be an alternative around the Town to our already heavily clogged up roads. That was about 3-4 years ago, of coarse there is a problem, it means allocating monies to be spent on Highway 's in Bridgwater.They obviously filed my sensible suggestions, Deeply under the priority spending in Taunton.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]swjoduk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Frags 27. Your " Post" is exactly why the call for Major Investment to our Highway routes through and around Bridgwater, and indeed the need for the Bridgwater By-Pass, so we all feel as you do, EDF nor Somerset C C accepted that we desperately need it.Today, this morning the whole of Penel Orlieu, High St, and St Mary St were at a standstill held up by a dray lorry delivering to the latest nightclub pop the Cinema, at least 20 Mins to complete the length of High St. The question I would like answered, is just when are SCC going to start & complete the So-Called highway improvements they " Say are going to do that will elevate the traffic chaos that we all fear when Hinkley C is given the approval to build. Or do we have to wait until the extra EDF traffic is upon us.... Regards-Blue-Owl.[/p][/quote]How about the Colley Lane Southern Distributor road or whatever it was called, will it ever be built?? I agree, a bypass from Dunball to Cannington would have been ideal. Maybe the road from Bristol Road over the railway to Bath Road could help ease traffic a little. How about a Western north south route, perhaps they should have looked at a road from J24 to the A39 at Cannington. As for Waitrose, perhaps a suitable site on the 'favoured' west side would be appropriate if they ever came to Bridgwater.[/p][/quote]There is to be a link, at some time when the SCC get on with it, !! The money is there from the housing Dev @ Stockmoor. There is to be a link from Taunton Rd over the River and Canal, but for some reason there is a delay, of which they are not giving answers that will give a start and completion time,,,,. As a Cllr I raised the question as to why from this link into Colley Lane Ind Est, they could not create a new exit from Colley Lane out connecting into Dunwear Lane, going one step even further, I proposed that they could upgrade both Dunwear and Bower Lane with lighting and pathways and drainage, so as there would be an alternative around the Town to our already heavily clogged up roads. That was about 3-4 years ago, of coarse there is a problem, it means allocating monies to be spent on Highway 's in Bridgwater.They obviously filed my sensible suggestions, Deeply under the priority spending in Taunton. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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6:21pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Following the recent post ! I omitted to say that the Bristol Rd new link over the Railway to Morrisons Depot and the housing development through to Bath Rd. Will now not open as originally planned at end of November, it is now delayed 3 months. Into Spring of 2013.. Really all of the contributors to this Mercury Forum, should write or e.mail SCC. Councillor Harvey Suggs,expressing the utter disgust for the way we have been treated in and around Bridgwater re :Highways.
I am awaiting a reply from him, but I've allowed extra to allow for the fact he has a Flood water problem to deal with just now.
Regards Blue-Owl
Following the recent post ! I omitted to say that the Bristol Rd new link over the Railway to Morrisons Depot and the housing development through to Bath Rd. Will now not open as originally planned at end of November, it is now delayed 3 months. Into Spring of 2013.. Really all of the contributors to this Mercury Forum, should write or e.mail SCC. Councillor Harvey Suggs,expressing the utter disgust for the way we have been treated in and around Bridgwater re :Highways. I am awaiting a reply from him, but I've allowed extra to allow for the fact he has a Flood water problem to deal with just now. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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6:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Blue Owl says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Following the recent post ! I omitted to say that the Bristol Rd new link over the Railway to Morrisons Depot and the housing development through to Bath Rd. Will now not open as originally planned at end of November, it is now delayed 3 months. Into Spring of 2013.. Really all of the contributors to this Mercury Forum, should write or e.mail SCC. Councillor Harvey Suggs,expressing the utter disgust for the way we have been treated in and around Bridgwater re :Highways.
I am awaiting a reply from him, but I've allowed extra to allow for the fact he has a Flood water problem to deal with just now.
Regards Blue-Owl
Apparently British Rail - or what ever they are called that are responsible, are looking for more money from the Developers, to complete the Contract.
So much for agreeing a price, within the norm contingency of 10%. So we will have to continue with the HGV on Bath Ro for even longer now.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: Following the recent post ! I omitted to say that the Bristol Rd new link over the Railway to Morrisons Depot and the housing development through to Bath Rd. Will now not open as originally planned at end of November, it is now delayed 3 months. Into Spring of 2013.. Really all of the contributors to this Mercury Forum, should write or e.mail SCC. Councillor Harvey Suggs,expressing the utter disgust for the way we have been treated in and around Bridgwater re :Highways. I am awaiting a reply from him, but I've allowed extra to allow for the fact he has a Flood water problem to deal with just now. Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Apparently British Rail - or what ever they are called that are responsible, are looking for more money from the Developers, to complete the Contract. So much for agreeing a price, within the norm contingency of 10%. So we will have to continue with the HGV on Bath Ro for even longer now. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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6:40pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Fartypants says...

Dear all, I'm afraid I got a little distracted and shoved this whole article through Gizoogle. You can view the results via this link: http://bit.ly/UwJmpE (warning, there's some swears in the article so don't let children or maiden aunts anywhere near it). I have to say that the comments of our current (and recently departed) Councillors make a lot more sense in this version...
Dear all, I'm afraid I got a little distracted and shoved this whole article through Gizoogle. You can view the results via this link: http://bit.ly/UwJmpE (warning, there's some swears in the article so don't let children or maiden aunts anywhere near it). I have to say that the comments of our current (and recently departed) Councillors make a lot more sense in this version... Fartypants
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9:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

teslafanatic says...

Do we need another Supermarket, not really but the town council will take a few thounsand from them in business rates, to top up their funds that they never seem to spend on or around Bridgwater.
Dear frags27, I know that you are now sampling the worst traffic system in the country and you hate it, I can't blame you, Its a joke that on most days it takes twenty minutes to get from Bower lane to the top of Taunton road and a hour to actually get to Taunton, but the alternative is to drive to J23 to J24 and rejoin the A38 A pain I know but you will do this and proberly save on fuel, I mean its not like we live in London is it.
Or you could always go over the hills but again this would proberly still take twenty odd minutes just to get to that end of the town.

We will miss you when you leave sunny Bridgwater for more lavish surroundings and at least you won't have to shop in a town with horrendous traffic systems in place or put up with the wonderful noise that is the New Bridgwater Hospital.
Do we need another Supermarket, not really but the town council will take a few thounsand from them in business rates, to top up their funds that they never seem to spend on or around Bridgwater. Dear frags27, I know that you are now sampling the worst traffic system in the country and you hate it, I can't blame you, Its a joke that on most days it takes twenty minutes to get from Bower lane to the top of Taunton road and a hour to actually get to Taunton, but the alternative is to drive to J23 to J24 and rejoin the A38 A pain I know but you will do this and proberly save on fuel, I mean its not like we live in London is it. Or you could always go over the hills but again this would proberly still take twenty odd minutes just to get to that end of the town. We will miss you when you leave sunny Bridgwater for more lavish surroundings and at least you won't have to shop in a town with horrendous traffic systems in place or put up with the wonderful noise that is the New Bridgwater Hospital. teslafanatic
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11:31pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Boring says...

cidreman wrote:
Folks ..
On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc .
The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover .
So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ...
The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago .
Have you told your Cllrs your views ..
Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ...
If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin ..
Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater)
Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ...
So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled
Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda.
Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ?
BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people.
That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that.
[quote][p][bold]cidreman[/bold] wrote: Folks .. On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc . The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover . So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ... The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago . Have you told your Cllrs your views .. Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ... If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin .. Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater) Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ... So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled[/p][/quote]Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site. But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda. Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ? BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people. That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that. Boring
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8:51pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Fartypants wrote:
Dear all, I'm afraid I got a little distracted and shoved this whole article through Gizoogle. You can view the results via this link: http://bit.ly/UwJmpE (warning, there's some swears in the article so don't let children or maiden aunts anywhere near it). I have to say that the comments of our current (and recently departed) Councillors make a lot more sense in this version...
I have to say that's immensely funny.
[quote][p][bold]Fartypants[/bold] wrote: Dear all, I'm afraid I got a little distracted and shoved this whole article through Gizoogle. You can view the results via this link: http://bit.ly/UwJmpE (warning, there's some swears in the article so don't let children or maiden aunts anywhere near it). I have to say that the comments of our current (and recently departed) Councillors make a lot more sense in this version...[/p][/quote]I have to say that's immensely funny. Cllr Brian Smedley
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9:15pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
cidreman wrote:
Folks ..
On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc .
The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover .
So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ...
The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago .
Have you told your Cllrs your views ..
Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ...
If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin ..
Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater)
Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ...
So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled
Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda.
Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ?
BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people.
That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that.
So they have a Mandate of Labour Cllrs on BTCouncil, and have held the majority for some past 10 years, so thus Controlling for all that time. With all the money that it sits on , our money!! In Nat West Bank. So come on Labour if everything in Sedgemoor
You have no Political Power, then exercise what you do have and do something for the Residents of Bridgwater with our money!! Not spent on the Mayors Boudoire Opps Parlor.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cidreman[/bold] wrote: Folks .. On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc . The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover . So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ... The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago . Have you told your Cllrs your views .. Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ... If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin .. Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater) Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ... So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled[/p][/quote]Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site. But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda. Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ? BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people. That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that.[/p][/quote]So they have a Mandate of Labour Cllrs on BTCouncil, and have held the majority for some past 10 years, so thus Controlling for all that time. With all the money that it sits on , our money!! In Nat West Bank. So come on Labour if everything in Sedgemoor You have no Political Power, then exercise what you do have and do something for the Residents of Bridgwater with our money!! Not spent on the Mayors Boudoire Opps Parlor. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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11:43pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

Sorry to offer a contrary view to the combined wisdom of Cidreman and Bowl Owl who do come across as strange bed fellows but I do believe Bridgwater Town Council actually offer a good service for the Council Tax payer. They have helped shield Bridgwater from the cuts being imposed by Tory Sedgemoor. For without their financial support the Town Hall would have shut so would our public conveniences all our parks and open spaces would have the minimum of maintenance. The Town Council ensure we have a Christmas light display that many similar sized towns would die for whilst the Carnival Fire Work display is a fantastic spectacle and really well supported. Whilst they also maintain the two cemetery's and the allotment sites. So lets have some balance to these anti Town Council rants.
Sorry to offer a contrary view to the combined wisdom of Cidreman and Bowl Owl who do come across as strange bed fellows but I do believe Bridgwater Town Council actually offer a good service for the Council Tax payer. They have helped shield Bridgwater from the cuts being imposed by Tory Sedgemoor. For without their financial support the Town Hall would have shut so would our public conveniences all our parks and open spaces would have the minimum of maintenance. The Town Council ensure we have a Christmas light display that many similar sized towns would die for whilst the Carnival Fire Work display is a fantastic spectacle and really well supported. Whilst they also maintain the two cemetery's and the allotment sites. So lets have some balance to these anti Town Council rants. Bridgy old Boy
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12:16am Sun 2 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Oh Bridgy old Boy - thank goodness.
I thought I was trapped in a never ending nightmare of Blue Owls non stop Tory rant.....
Oh Bridgy old Boy - thank goodness. I thought I was trapped in a never ending nightmare of Blue Owls non stop Tory rant..... Cllr Brian Smedley
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12:30am Sun 2 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Boring wrote:
cidreman wrote:
Folks ..
On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc .
The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover .
So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ...
The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago .
Have you told your Cllrs your views ..
Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ...
If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin ..
Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater)
Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ...
So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled
Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda.
Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ?
BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people.
That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that.
So they have a Mandate of Labour Cllrs on BTCouncil, and have held the majority for some past 10 years, so thus Controlling for all that time. With all the money that it sits on , our money!! In Nat West Bank. So come on Labour if everything in Sedgemoor
You have no Political Power, then exercise what you do have and do something for the Residents of Bridgwater with our money!! Not spent on the Mayors Boudoire Opps Parlor.
Regards Blue-Owl
Bridgeoldboy, It was in fact SDC Tory controlled Council that put the £1 Million for the repairs and Facia upgrade for the Town Hall Island Site, after many years of not having the Finances to do annual repairs, and in .actual fact came in under target figures with extra work carried out. Whilst, I agree with list of Services that the BTC fund from our Surcharge levied on Bridgwater residents you stated. That is because whatever the BTC Levies this is included in the Rate Set by SDC and capped by Central Gov. It's the money that has not been spent each year sitting in Natwest Bank, that I and others have the right to know Where &When it is to be spent, after all this is surplus monies after all the payments to the Clubs Association and causes that SDC could not fund due to the cut in Budget from Central Gvnment for the last 3-5 years .Opps almost forgot the Salary for the BTC part time Clerk
And Secretaries wages.
Regards Blue- Owl
Conservative and Proud Of It ..
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cidreman[/bold] wrote: Folks .. On these forums its always being said ..Bridgwater is dying , no large shops , likes of Primark etc . The Town will have another £ shop before long ...No large retailer will ever open up a outlet in The High Street , Fore Street ..or Eastover . So what are the Town Council objecting against ..your elected Town Cllrs the building of the Tesco Store or the use of Part of the Playing field ... The Town Council were aware this area was going to be redeveloped years ago . Have you told your Cllrs your views .. Cllr Lerry lives in North Petherton does he use the Tescos that opened ere ... If Cllr Smedley & The Town Council had been more proactive regarding the Post Office , it would not be sitting in a carpark ..in a Portacabin .. Thats what having a Labour Controlled Town Council gets us (Bridgwater) Under the Labour Group Bridgwater gets nothing ...They have no Forward Plan for the Town ..But they do have a Budget every year of over £500, 000 your money ... So next time you walk through the Town , remember The Town Council is Labour Controlled[/p][/quote]Sorry to correct you, but if Tory controlled Sedgmoor district Council hadn't smashed down the Splash,there wouldn't be room for a Portacabin post office on that site. But don't let the facts get in the way of your Tory propaganda. Tory controlled SDC have no mandate for Bridgwater, the tory councillors are all from outside of BW except for TWO. So how and why should these " outsiders" decide on the future of BW ? BW voted for 13 Labour councillors in the last council elections,so they DO have a mandate from the people. That's democracy,but you obviously can't accept that.[/p][/quote]So they have a Mandate of Labour Cllrs on BTCouncil, and have held the majority for some past 10 years, so thus Controlling for all that time. With all the money that it sits on , our money!! In Nat West Bank. So come on Labour if everything in Sedgemoor You have no Political Power, then exercise what you do have and do something for the Residents of Bridgwater with our money!! Not spent on the Mayors Boudoire Opps Parlor. Regards Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Bridgeoldboy, It was in fact SDC Tory controlled Council that put the £1 Million for the repairs and Facia upgrade for the Town Hall Island Site, after many years of not having the Finances to do annual repairs, and in .actual fact came in under target figures with extra work carried out. Whilst, I agree with list of Services that the BTC fund from our Surcharge levied on Bridgwater residents you stated. That is because whatever the BTC Levies this is included in the Rate Set by SDC and capped by Central Gov. It's the money that has not been spent each year sitting in Natwest Bank, that I and others have the right to know Where &When it is to be spent, after all this is surplus monies after all the payments to the Clubs Association and causes that SDC could not fund due to the cut in Budget from Central Gvnment for the last 3-5 years .Opps almost forgot the Salary for the BTC part time Clerk And Secretaries wages. Regards Blue- Owl Conservative and Proud Of It .. Blue Owl
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1:10am Sun 2 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

(opens one eye) No, he's still going on.....
(opens one eye) No, he's still going on..... Cllr Brian Smedley
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11:02am Sun 2 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
(opens one eye) No, he's still going on.....
Yes, the debate is still active, Cllr Smedley, sorry to awaken you, but I was on my way back from Twickenham Rugby when I Posted my 12.30 Post from the coach, go back to ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz or wake up and actually do something positive for a change.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: (opens one eye) No, he's still going on.....[/p][/quote]Yes, the debate is still active, Cllr Smedley, sorry to awaken you, but I was on my way back from Twickenham Rugby when I Posted my 12.30 Post from the coach, go back to ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz or wake up and actually do something positive for a change. Blue Owl
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11:42am Sun 2 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

oh, theres a debate?? that usually involves two people . 90% of this forum is just you though. Still, that's free speech.....mind you there's also an 'off' button.
oh, theres a debate?? that usually involves two people . 90% of this forum is just you though. Still, that's free speech.....mind you there's also an 'off' button. Cllr Brian Smedley
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12:00pm Sun 2 Dec 12

MBR Extreme says...

Now I don't pretend to know a lot about politics, but what I have noticed is that everything that gets put toward to make Bridgwater better you Mr smedley seem to oppose. This isn't moving fowards. I love Tesco bring it on and get rid of that poo covered field.
Now I don't pretend to know a lot about politics, but what I have noticed is that everything that gets put toward to make Bridgwater better you Mr smedley seem to oppose. This isn't moving fowards. I love Tesco bring it on and get rid of that poo covered field. MBR Extreme
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1:43pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Ka7e says...

That "poo covered field" is a much needed "green lung" in a town that sees every available green space as a potential building site. It isn't actually that well used at the moment as the council have seen fit to do minimum maintenance - grass cut once in a blue moon and cuttings left to rot and form mounds of green slime.Few dogs are walked there and MOST owners "pick up" after them. I dare say that any enhancement Tescos agree to will eventually lead to the whole area being concreted over on grounds of cost and ease of maintenance. I cerainly would not want to buy a property adjacent to a huge supermarket wanting 24 hour opening and have every sympathy with the residents of Blacklands and Anson Way.
That "poo covered field" is a much needed "green lung" in a town that sees every available green space as a potential building site. It isn't actually that well used at the moment as the council have seen fit to do minimum maintenance - grass cut once in a blue moon and cuttings left to rot and form mounds of green slime.Few dogs are walked there and MOST owners "pick up" after them. I dare say that any enhancement Tescos agree to will eventually lead to the whole area being concreted over on grounds of cost and ease of maintenance. I cerainly would not want to buy a property adjacent to a huge supermarket wanting 24 hour opening and have every sympathy with the residents of Blacklands and Anson Way. Ka7e
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2:07pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion.
Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion. Cllr Brian Smedley
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3:08pm Sun 2 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :) sheldoncooper
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4:30pm Sun 2 Dec 12

MBR Extreme says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion.
Sorry maybe in the circles you mix the opinion is that we don't need Tescos, but everyone that I speak to wants the store so im guessing we mix in different circles. I mean when you work to 5:30 ECT you need stores to open late , I myself have driven to cribbs causeway to buy hardware from Tescos and its so much cheaper. So please mr smedley don't think you talk for the majority of the town because you most certainly do not, ask the real people who work in the factorys ECT.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion.[/p][/quote]Sorry maybe in the circles you mix the opinion is that we don't need Tescos, but everyone that I speak to wants the store so im guessing we mix in different circles. I mean when you work to 5:30 ECT you need stores to open late , I myself have driven to cribbs causeway to buy hardware from Tescos and its so much cheaper. So please mr smedley don't think you talk for the majority of the town because you most certainly do not, ask the real people who work in the factorys ECT. MBR Extreme
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8:47pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

MBR Extreme wrote:
Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion.
Sorry maybe in the circles you mix the opinion is that we don't need Tescos, but everyone that I speak to wants the store so im guessing we mix in different circles. I mean when you work to 5:30 ECT you need stores to open late , I myself have driven to cribbs causeway to buy hardware from Tescos and its so much cheaper. So please mr smedley don't think you talk for the majority of the town because you most certainly do not, ask the real people who work in the factorys ECT.
I'm hesitant to Post this, for fear that Cllr Smedley now he's entered into this Debate will get his % wrong again ie remember 63% that allegedly support the BBFMovement against Tesco's on Northgate. According to Bridgwater Backward Forwards supporters straw poll (unquantified). Unrepresentative of actual BRIDGWATERs Residents. Why have we not heard from the other representative of BBF. Or is their only comment " WE ARE AGAINST TESCO S the NEW POOL AND ANY THING ELSE THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR TOWN
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]MBR Extreme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Mr MBR(extreme) sorry you think that 'everything' I do is wrong. But glad you're paying attention. I think it's a judgement we both have to make as to what is right or wrong regarding the future of Bridgwater - and neither of us know for sure, but my view is that Tesco would be wrong on the Brewery field because it would harm the town centre, lose a green open space, cause traffic chaos and disrupt the lives of residents. I think theres too many supermarkets in bridgwater but if we had to have another one then it should be elsewhere as this is the wrong location. I think this is also a very widely held opinion.[/p][/quote]Sorry maybe in the circles you mix the opinion is that we don't need Tescos, but everyone that I speak to wants the store so im guessing we mix in different circles. I mean when you work to 5:30 ECT you need stores to open late , I myself have driven to cribbs causeway to buy hardware from Tescos and its so much cheaper. So please mr smedley don't think you talk for the majority of the town because you most certainly do not, ask the real people who work in the factorys ECT.[/p][/quote]I'm hesitant to Post this, for fear that Cllr Smedley now he's entered into this Debate will get his % wrong again ie remember 63% that allegedly support the BBFMovement against Tesco's on Northgate. According to Bridgwater Backward Forwards supporters straw poll (unquantified). Unrepresentative of actual BRIDGWATERs Residents. Why have we not heard from the other representative of BBF. Or is their only comment " WE ARE AGAINST TESCO S the NEW POOL AND ANY THING ELSE THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR TOWN Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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9:34pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space.
Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for.
MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space. Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for. Cllr Brian Smedley
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11:51pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Bridgy old Boy says...

So MBR do you close your eyes when you drive past Morrisons; ASDA; Sainsbury's; Budgens; Co-op; Iceland; Lidl; Aldi; Farm Foods? How anyone can claim that Bridgwater is short of supermarkets is beyond me.
So MBR do you close your eyes when you drive past Morrisons; ASDA; Sainsbury's; Budgens; Co-op; Iceland; Lidl; Aldi; Farm Foods? How anyone can claim that Bridgwater is short of supermarkets is beyond me. Bridgy old Boy
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12:47am Mon 3 Dec 12

crunchtime says...

I personally think this is a good idea. There is only one other supermarket on that side of the town bridge, meaning more traffic has to travel over the town bridge to get to any other supermarket, which only adds to the traffic that side of town. Victoria Park is only a short walk away from the brewery field and has a cafe, medical centre, and nursery in addition to the park and open space. As for noises being caused by the location it, is no different than that at Asda, so why do those neighbouring properties think they should have special treatment, with the added people this town is attracting with developments at Wilstock, Stockmoor and Kings Down, let alone the expected influx due to EDF, we are going to need this to alleviate the queues elsewhere. This town has been dying for years and having Tesco is not going to kill it anymore, it may well bring more people in to the town, with all the lines it offers, one thing that this town is lacking. We seem to be a town of low cost shops, charity shops, betting shops, cafes estate agents and public houses, can't really see Tesco putting any of those out of business.
I personally think this is a good idea. There is only one other supermarket on that side of the town bridge, meaning more traffic has to travel over the town bridge to get to any other supermarket, which only adds to the traffic that side of town. Victoria Park is only a short walk away from the brewery field and has a cafe, medical centre, and nursery in addition to the park and open space. As for noises being caused by the location it, is no different than that at Asda, so why do those neighbouring properties think they should have special treatment, with the added people this town is attracting with developments at Wilstock, Stockmoor and Kings Down, let alone the expected influx due to EDF, we are going to need this to alleviate the queues elsewhere. This town has been dying for years and having Tesco is not going to kill it anymore, it may well bring more people in to the town, with all the lines it offers, one thing that this town is lacking. We seem to be a town of low cost shops, charity shops, betting shops, cafes estate agents and public houses, can't really see Tesco putting any of those out of business. crunchtime
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7:47am Mon 3 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Crunchtimes point about more people coming to the town is a valid one but these massive edge of town estates need local facilities and the town can't cope with the traffic generated on what is basically a medieval road network so new superstores of such a size if needed should be built in appropriate locations. The key problem about building a town centre superstore is exactly what is said about 'all the lines it offers' of course these won;t effect the places mentioned but they will effect the shops whose lines are replaced by Tesco and businesses will close because they can't compete on an even playing field. (Which incidentally will also be built on -and we can't put everything on Viccy park!)
Crunchtimes point about more people coming to the town is a valid one but these massive edge of town estates need local facilities and the town can't cope with the traffic generated on what is basically a medieval road network so new superstores of such a size if needed should be built in appropriate locations. The key problem about building a town centre superstore is exactly what is said about 'all the lines it offers' of course these won;t effect the places mentioned but they will effect the shops whose lines are replaced by Tesco and businesses will close because they can't compete on an even playing field. (Which incidentally will also be built on -and we can't put everything on Viccy park!) Cllr Brian Smedley
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9:10am Mon 3 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches.
A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town.
I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches. A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town. Samej1
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9:52am Mon 3 Dec 12

artful280 says...

crunchtime wrote:
I personally think this is a good idea. There is only one other supermarket on that side of the town bridge, meaning more traffic has to travel over the town bridge to get to any other supermarket, which only adds to the traffic that side of town. Victoria Park is only a short walk away from the brewery field and has a cafe, medical centre, and nursery in addition to the park and open space. As for noises being caused by the location it, is no different than that at Asda, so why do those neighbouring properties think they should have special treatment, with the added people this town is attracting with developments at Wilstock, Stockmoor and Kings Down, let alone the expected influx due to EDF, we are going to need this to alleviate the queues elsewhere. This town has been dying for years and having Tesco is not going to kill it anymore, it may well bring more people in to the town, with all the lines it offers, one thing that this town is lacking. We seem to be a town of low cost shops, charity shops, betting shops, cafes estate agents and public houses, can't really see Tesco putting any of those out of business.
Asda is not 24 hour opening, did not demand special tretment when building thier store ie planning cant be turned down on the amount of noise and light generated, did not build on a greenfield site, didn't take away 50% of the long stay parking in the town centre that will force already overcrowded surrounding roads to accommodate more commuters.Didnt kick people with learning difficulties out of their well established centre, didnt affect such a large number of residents as there is only one small stretch of houses next to Asda, and i do believe they did object when Mcdonalds changed to 24hour opening.
I am no doubt that Tescos will be built however much the local residents and other people object . SDC need the money for the pool and it has been in their published budgets for several years. i am afraid that we will just have to live with it and the chaos it will bring to Bridgwater.
[quote][p][bold]crunchtime[/bold] wrote: I personally think this is a good idea. There is only one other supermarket on that side of the town bridge, meaning more traffic has to travel over the town bridge to get to any other supermarket, which only adds to the traffic that side of town. Victoria Park is only a short walk away from the brewery field and has a cafe, medical centre, and nursery in addition to the park and open space. As for noises being caused by the location it, is no different than that at Asda, so why do those neighbouring properties think they should have special treatment, with the added people this town is attracting with developments at Wilstock, Stockmoor and Kings Down, let alone the expected influx due to EDF, we are going to need this to alleviate the queues elsewhere. This town has been dying for years and having Tesco is not going to kill it anymore, it may well bring more people in to the town, with all the lines it offers, one thing that this town is lacking. We seem to be a town of low cost shops, charity shops, betting shops, cafes estate agents and public houses, can't really see Tesco putting any of those out of business.[/p][/quote]Asda is not 24 hour opening, did not demand special tretment when building thier store ie planning cant be turned down on the amount of noise and light generated, did not build on a greenfield site, didn't take away 50% of the long stay parking in the town centre that will force already overcrowded surrounding roads to accommodate more commuters.Didnt kick people with learning difficulties out of their well established centre, didnt affect such a large number of residents as there is only one small stretch of houses next to Asda, and i do believe they did object when Mcdonalds changed to 24hour opening. I am no doubt that Tescos will be built however much the local residents and other people object . SDC need the money for the pool and it has been in their published budgets for several years. i am afraid that we will just have to live with it and the chaos it will bring to Bridgwater. artful280
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10:07am Mon 3 Dec 12

cidreman says...

Cllr Smedley
What are you going to spend the Civic Enhancement Fund on ..."Council Tax from every household "...sitting in a Bank Account ..totalling some £247,000
And you were against the Poll Tax !
But allow the Gathering of our Tax , to sit unused In Nat-West ... Double standards ..dont you agree ! Cllr
Cllr Smedley What are you going to spend the Civic Enhancement Fund on ..."Council Tax from every household "...sitting in a Bank Account ..totalling some £247,000 And you were against the Poll Tax ! But allow the Gathering of our Tax , to sit unused In Nat-West ... Double standards ..dont you agree ! Cllr cidreman
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10:36am Mon 3 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Cidreman. Change the record! If a town of 35,000 has a reserve of 247,000 thats £7 a head. Would you rather the Town council had no reserve? isn't that good housekeeping? Whats that got to do with the Poll tax? If the Poll tax had been £7 a head people might not have been so unhappy......
Cidreman. Change the record! If a town of 35,000 has a reserve of 247,000 thats £7 a head. Would you rather the Town council had no reserve? isn't that good housekeeping? Whats that got to do with the Poll tax? If the Poll tax had been £7 a head people might not have been so unhappy...... Cllr Brian Smedley
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11:23am Mon 3 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space.
Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for.
Oh,!! Councillor Smedley, how you can manipulate the Truth with False Facts and incorrect Statisticss, The reason that your Labour Councillors were elected, was that the Ward Formily known as Bower! Was changed by the Boundary Commission just prior to the Election, along with others Wards in Bridgwater, which completely altered the Demography of the Houses in the Ward, which lost the Eastern Ave Residents, replacing Smiths Estate, & the Westonzoyland Rd and Parkway up to the Shops, including Moorland Rd. So, you don't compare eggs with eggs Cllr, as these changes were to be beneficial to your Labour Party, it was a no Brainer that you and Collegues would benefit with these changes. Also a similar change occurred in the Newly Named Fairfax Ward, Bath Rd end.
Similarly had the same change to Political outcome. So to that effect, I have accepted long a go that result.
But, I am like everyone else, even more so know, not hindered by be a Cllr, able to Voice my Personal Concerns, and will Continue to do so, on whatever I feel needs airing without equivocation.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space. Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for.[/p][/quote]Oh,!! Councillor Smedley, how you can manipulate the Truth with False Facts and incorrect Statisticss, The reason that your Labour Councillors were elected, was that the Ward Formily known as Bower! Was changed by the Boundary Commission just prior to the Election, along with others Wards in Bridgwater, which completely altered the Demography of the Houses in the Ward, which lost the Eastern Ave Residents, replacing Smiths Estate, & the Westonzoyland Rd and Parkway up to the Shops, including Moorland Rd. So, you don't compare eggs with eggs Cllr, as these changes were to be beneficial to your Labour Party, it was a no Brainer that you and Collegues would benefit with these changes. Also a similar change occurred in the Newly Named Fairfax Ward, Bath Rd end. Similarly had the same change to Political outcome. So to that effect, I have accepted long a go that result. But, I am like everyone else, even more so know, not hindered by be a Cllr, able to Voice my Personal Concerns, and will Continue to do so, on whatever I feel needs airing without equivocation. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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11:40am Mon 3 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Samej1 wrote:
I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches.
A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town.
If you read a posting, I added last week re the Old Hospital Site in Eastover, Salmon Parade, boardering Monmouth St, will become a very large Site, which could if Investors were to get behind such a New Scheme could regenerate that part of BRIDGWATERs Demise, bringing new shops to Eastover itself, as I don't believe it is feasible to buy these Shops from their individual owners, en bloc. The Hospital itself can be demolished, ( keeping if required the Salmon Parade Frontage ) Replacing this with a Multicomplex Leisure Facility, I proposed that the BTC Fund Civic could be put into this as a real legacy , along with a substantial amount from EDF to give the 10.000 plus Construction workers some where to go other than the Pub, as they will not all be able to play 5 a-Side football on the pitches proposed by EDF, with are to be shared also with Bridgwater's Residents, that wish to use them !!!?.
So that, is what I would propose should be a project that we in Bridgwater Should Put up the Challenge NOW,!
Regards Blue-Owl. Still fighting for my home Towns Best Interest.
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches. A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town.[/p][/quote]If you read a posting, I added last week re the Old Hospital Site in Eastover, Salmon Parade, boardering Monmouth St, will become a very large Site, which could if Investors were to get behind such a New Scheme could regenerate that part of BRIDGWATERs Demise, bringing new shops to Eastover itself, as I don't believe it is feasible to buy these Shops from their individual owners, en bloc. The Hospital itself can be demolished, ( keeping if required the Salmon Parade Frontage ) Replacing this with a Multicomplex Leisure Facility, I proposed that the BTC Fund Civic could be put into this as a real legacy , along with a substantial amount from EDF to give the 10.000 plus Construction workers some where to go other than the Pub, as they will not all be able to play 5 a-Side football on the pitches proposed by EDF, with are to be shared also with Bridgwater's Residents, that wish to use them !!!?. So that, is what I would propose should be a project that we in Bridgwater Should Put up the Challenge NOW,! Regards Blue-Owl. Still fighting for my home Towns Best Interest. Blue Owl
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12:29pm Mon 3 Dec 12

crunchtime says...

Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else.
Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else. crunchtime
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12:50pm Mon 3 Dec 12

cidreman says...

Cllr Smedley
So you are saying its ok to save money from everyones council tax ...and not spend it .
£7 per head Cllr might seem nothing to you ...strange ;Labour attitude .

Lose a green open space ..Cause traffic Chaos ...But Cllr are you the same Cllr supporting the Closure of West Quay
A Road that was always used ...before the road was closed for repairs , as the Cllr knows being the
a resident of that local area ...
The area needs as many open roads it can get ! ..
Cllr Smedley So you are saying its ok to save money from everyones council tax ...and not spend it . £7 per head Cllr might seem nothing to you ...strange ;Labour attitude . Lose a green open space ..Cause traffic Chaos ...But Cllr are you the same Cllr supporting the Closure of West Quay A Road that was always used ...before the road was closed for repairs , as the Cllr knows being the a resident of that local area ... The area needs as many open roads it can get ! .. cidreman
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1:53pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches.
A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town.
If you read a posting, I added last week re the Old Hospital Site in Eastover, Salmon Parade, boardering Monmouth St, will become a very large Site, which could if Investors were to get behind such a New Scheme could regenerate that part of BRIDGWATERs Demise, bringing new shops to Eastover itself, as I don't believe it is feasible to buy these Shops from their individual owners, en bloc. The Hospital itself can be demolished, ( keeping if required the Salmon Parade Frontage ) Replacing this with a Multicomplex Leisure Facility, I proposed that the BTC Fund Civic could be put into this as a real legacy , along with a substantial amount from EDF to give the 10.000 plus Construction workers some where to go other than the Pub, as they will not all be able to play 5 a-Side football on the pitches proposed by EDF, with are to be shared also with Bridgwater's Residents, that wish to use them !!!?.
So that, is what I would propose should be a project that we in Bridgwater Should Put up the Challenge NOW,!
Regards Blue-Owl. Still fighting for my home Towns Best Interest.
5 years too late I'm afraid, the vision should have been seen as far back as that.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: I've mentioned on the 'Hinkley point workers' story another take on this proposed development - with thousands of workers likley to be staying in the area, somebody should have been pressing EDF to provide more than just a couple of football pitches. A real legacy project should have been considered and fought for - some kind of leisure provisiont that would bering people to town. Opportunity missed, just another supermarket town.[/p][/quote]If you read a posting, I added last week re the Old Hospital Site in Eastover, Salmon Parade, boardering Monmouth St, will become a very large Site, which could if Investors were to get behind such a New Scheme could regenerate that part of BRIDGWATERs Demise, bringing new shops to Eastover itself, as I don't believe it is feasible to buy these Shops from their individual owners, en bloc. The Hospital itself can be demolished, ( keeping if required the Salmon Parade Frontage ) Replacing this with a Multicomplex Leisure Facility, I proposed that the BTC Fund Civic could be put into this as a real legacy , along with a substantial amount from EDF to give the 10.000 plus Construction workers some where to go other than the Pub, as they will not all be able to play 5 a-Side football on the pitches proposed by EDF, with are to be shared also with Bridgwater's Residents, that wish to use them !!!?. So that, is what I would propose should be a project that we in Bridgwater Should Put up the Challenge NOW,! Regards Blue-Owl. Still fighting for my home Towns Best Interest.[/p][/quote]5 years too late I'm afraid, the vision should have been seen as far back as that. Samej1
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3:23pm Mon 3 Dec 12

cidreman says...

There are comments about leaving out the politics..
But with the Labour Town Council v The Conservative led Sedgemoor District Council ..its impossible to do so .
Labour ...says no to everything , But does not have a Forward Plan for the Town themselves .It can not tell you what the Budget of £500 , 000 will be spent on ..every year
Or the £247, 000 sitting in Nat-West
If The Conservatives suggested spending that money for the improvement of the Town ..Labour would say No ...Everytime
That Money could of Built a BMX & Skatepark ..A legacy for the Towns Youngsters ..
Maybe if the Forward Group had suggested spending it ..The Labour Cllrs would of ..
Am I correct in saying all the Labour Cllrs canvassed saying No Tesco for the Northgate ..site
What will happen if a Tesco gets built there will all the Labour Town Cllrs Resign ..
There are comments about leaving out the politics.. But with the Labour Town Council v The Conservative led Sedgemoor District Council ..its impossible to do so . Labour ...says no to everything , But does not have a Forward Plan for the Town themselves .It can not tell you what the Budget of £500 , 000 will be spent on ..every year Or the £247, 000 sitting in Nat-West If The Conservatives suggested spending that money for the improvement of the Town ..Labour would say No ...Everytime That Money could of Built a BMX & Skatepark ..A legacy for the Towns Youngsters .. Maybe if the Forward Group had suggested spending it ..The Labour Cllrs would of .. Am I correct in saying all the Labour Cllrs canvassed saying No Tesco for the Northgate ..site What will happen if a Tesco gets built there will all the Labour Town Cllrs Resign .. cidreman
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5:30pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

It's very difficult to Post a Veiw without it of course being Political, as that is watt this Forum Debate is all about, Cllr Smedley, voices that its OK for the Taxpayers money to be sat in the Bank as a BTCouncil reserve, I beg to differ this fund was Distinctly collected as a Ring Fenced Civic Enhancement Fund, so come on Enhance our Town, spent the Money, or is the BTC, not able to Buy the Votes, without using this Ring Fenced Money set aside for a rainy day, well I can tell them it's not only raining " It's Pouring ". Cllr John Turner is Chairman of BTC Finance Commitee, he Controls the purse strings, and the rest follow to his tune.
Regards Blue-Owl
It's very difficult to Post a Veiw without it of course being Political, as that is watt this Forum Debate is all about, Cllr Smedley, voices that its OK for the Taxpayers money to be sat in the Bank as a BTCouncil reserve, I beg to differ this fund was Distinctly collected as a Ring Fenced Civic Enhancement Fund, so come on Enhance our Town, spent the Money, or is the BTC, not able to Buy the Votes, without using this Ring Fenced Money set aside for a rainy day, well I can tell them it's not only raining " It's Pouring ". Cllr John Turner is Chairman of BTC Finance Commitee, he Controls the purse strings, and the rest follow to his tune. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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7:15pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Alex@SDA says...

crunchtime wrote:
Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else.
Well said mate.

Looks like some people go too much time on their hands.

I have got to the point where I look at the bottom to see who the posting is from and if either of the two who are playing "political ping-pong on this medium", I don't bother to read it.

Between them they have totally degenerated what was a perfectly good debate.
[quote][p][bold]crunchtime[/bold] wrote: Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else.[/p][/quote]Well said mate. Looks like some people go too much time on their hands. I have got to the point where I look at the bottom to see who the posting is from and if either of the two who are playing "political ping-pong on this medium", I don't bother to read it. Between them they have totally degenerated what was a perfectly good debate. Alex@SDA
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8:51pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Silverbirch says...

Alex@SDA wrote:
crunchtime wrote:
Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else.
Well said mate.

Looks like some people go too much time on their hands.

I have got to the point where I look at the bottom to see who the posting is from and if either of the two who are playing "political ping-pong on this medium", I don't bother to read it.

Between them they have totally degenerated what was a perfectly good debate.
Hear, hear. If the pair of them did a bit less talking and a bit more listening, the town would be a lot better off. It's like a pair of petulant toddlers bickering.
[quote][p][bold]Alex@SDA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crunchtime[/bold] wrote: Blue Owl and Cllr Brian Smedley, can we please not turn this into a party political debate, who did what for whom and why. This is about Tesco site and nothing else.[/p][/quote]Well said mate. Looks like some people go too much time on their hands. I have got to the point where I look at the bottom to see who the posting is from and if either of the two who are playing "political ping-pong on this medium", I don't bother to read it. Between them they have totally degenerated what was a perfectly good debate.[/p][/quote]Hear, hear. If the pair of them did a bit less talking and a bit more listening, the town would be a lot better off. It's like a pair of petulant toddlers bickering. Silverbirch
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10:44pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it??
Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you!
After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand.

This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now.
No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year.
You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him).

Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots.

Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove.
Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities.
Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ?
Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it?? Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you! After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand. This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now. No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year. You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him). Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots. Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove. Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities. Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ? Boring
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11:11pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it??
Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you!
After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand.

This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now.
No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year.
You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him).

Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots.

Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove.
Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities.
Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ?
So you hold your views and express them for all to agree with or not, as do I. That is why this Forum has actually had more Posts than any other b4 it is pulled by the Mercury Censors. So we the Tories in Bridgwater have spoiled our Town. ,!, Then if we have as you say had all the Power , what and Why have we a Town Council.?? You then go on to blame the Tory Government for in your words " we have schools that either are the have or have nots, will you be surprised to hear that I agree, but ,it was the Last Labour Government that spent money it did'nt have on announcing new schools, you seem to forget that Labour were in Government for over 13 yrs, it was them that put us in this Country so far in debt, they took Office from the Conservatives with a balanced economy, only to leave at the last election leaving this Country close to bankruptcy, no Gold Reserves, an empty Chancellery with not even shelves or a floor. Thankfully the Bankers came to their aid, so it could all be blamed on them.
So Boring, Thankyou for contributing to this debate, your comments are enlightening .
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it?? Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you! After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand. This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now. No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year. You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him). Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots. Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove. Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities. Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ?[/p][/quote]So you hold your views and express them for all to agree with or not, as do I. That is why this Forum has actually had more Posts than any other b4 it is pulled by the Mercury Censors. So we the Tories in Bridgwater have spoiled our Town. ,!, Then if we have as you say had all the Power , what and Why have we a Town Council.?? You then go on to blame the Tory Government for in your words " we have schools that either are the have or have nots, will you be surprised to hear that I agree, but ,it was the Last Labour Government that spent money it did'nt have on announcing new schools, you seem to forget that Labour were in Government for over 13 yrs, it was them that put us in this Country so far in debt, they took Office from the Conservatives with a balanced economy, only to leave at the last election leaving this Country close to bankruptcy, no Gold Reserves, an empty Chancellery with not even shelves or a floor. Thankfully the Bankers came to their aid, so it could all be blamed on them. So Boring, Thankyou for contributing to this debate, your comments are enlightening . Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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11:45pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Samej1, I read your comment re quote 5 Yrs to late. After I suggested what could be put on the old Hospital Site. Hind site is a wonderful thing, if we all had this, life would be easy. Business, politics, life, you take into account options, before you, it isn't black and white, most of the time it is a fine balance, coming to a decision. As always if you go in one direction you will always have opposition from those who disagree, But a decision has to be made, at the end of the day, so that is why debate is good, for it allows every one to add their input to the resolution venting facts into the equation. We have not known, whether the New Hospital was in fact going to go ahead, as although was proposed some 4 years ago, the £45 million was not there hence the delay, it was due to opened before now. There is and always will be Political input to these Forum Posts, because most of you out there don't care, can not be bothered to hold you Councillors to account..Then you complain, when you think No One is doing Anything, well why don't you step up to the plate , so to speak, instead of leaving it to others. It's easy to promise wonderful new Schools , Hospitals, etc. But the funds need to be there to pay for them.
Regards Blue-Owl
" The Truth Hurts " makes difficult reading at times."
Samej1, I read your comment re quote 5 Yrs to late. After I suggested what could be put on the old Hospital Site. Hind site is a wonderful thing, if we all had this, life would be easy. Business, politics, life, you take into account options, before you, it isn't black and white, most of the time it is a fine balance, coming to a decision. As always if you go in one direction you will always have opposition from those who disagree, But a decision has to be made, at the end of the day, so that is why debate is good, for it allows every one to add their input to the resolution venting facts into the equation. We have not known, whether the New Hospital was in fact going to go ahead, as although was proposed some 4 years ago, the £45 million was not there hence the delay, it was due to opened before now. There is and always will be Political input to these Forum Posts, because most of you out there don't care, can not be bothered to hold you Councillors to account..Then you complain, when you think No One is doing Anything, well why don't you step up to the plate , so to speak, instead of leaving it to others. It's easy to promise wonderful new Schools , Hospitals, etc. But the funds need to be there to pay for them. Regards Blue-Owl " The Truth Hurts " makes difficult reading at times." Blue Owl
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12:58am Tue 4 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

See, I'm not saying anything. I'm watching 'The Wicker Man'.
See, I'm not saying anything. I'm watching 'The Wicker Man'. Cllr Brian Smedley
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9:28am Tue 4 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring wrote:
Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it??
Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you!
After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand.

This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now.
No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year.
You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him).

Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots.

Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove.
Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities.
Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ?
No Boring, I have no friends on Tesco's Payrole, neither am I receiving the always suggested Brown Envelope Back Handers, in any way or form. Or a Tesco Clubcard HaHa .Your suggestion that I should rename my Post Pseudenom to Blue Ostrich, could be a " Runner". But, I think this Tag with a colour change to RED would be more suitable to Bridgwater Backward Forward, lead by Councillor Brian Smedley!!!! .But, lets not deflect from the Debate, for those out their that have joined in this Post, well done for bothering to put your points, as it opens out the debate.
Also, I must take this opportunity to thank the Editorial Mercury Censor for not Pulling this debate, as they have done many times before. Well Done, hopefully the E.mail I sent to the Editor last week with ref to this, has changed their policies, also I asked why they invite readers to Contribute to " Post bag" only to limit it to 2-3 entries, or a letter printed well after the relevant item was responded to.
Regards Blue-Owl.
[quote][p][bold]Boring[/bold] wrote: Blue owl, so it's boundary changes that stopped Tory councillors getting elected is it?? Dear oh dear, you just don't get it do you. Blue Ostrich would be a wiser name for you! After all,you seem to have your head buried well and truly in the sand. This town's decisions are being, and have been made by SDC Tories for years now. No wonder BW is an eyesore and has less and less going for it each year. You should be ashamed of your parties record in BW,and don't get me started on our INVISIBLE mp. ( has anyone in BW ever seen him). Also, because of your inept and useless government we now have a town where even the Schools are divided into have's and have nots. Two brand new schools and two decaying,run down, not fit for purpose schools,all because of the useless Mr Gove. Before building a new superstore, shouldn't your blue friends be concentrating on giving all our children in BW the same prospects and decent facilities. Or is it that your Tesco "friends" are more important than the education of ALL BW children ?[/p][/quote]No Boring, I have no friends on Tesco's Payrole, neither am I receiving the always suggested Brown Envelope Back Handers, in any way or form. Or a Tesco Clubcard HaHa .Your suggestion that I should rename my Post Pseudenom to Blue Ostrich, could be a " Runner". But, I think this Tag with a colour change to RED would be more suitable to Bridgwater Backward Forward, lead by Councillor Brian Smedley!!!! .But, lets not deflect from the Debate, for those out their that have joined in this Post, well done for bothering to put your points, as it opens out the debate. Also, I must take this opportunity to thank the Editorial Mercury Censor for not Pulling this debate, as they have done many times before. Well Done, hopefully the E.mail I sent to the Editor last week with ref to this, has changed their policies, also I asked why they invite readers to Contribute to " Post bag" only to limit it to 2-3 entries, or a letter printed well after the relevant item was responded to. Regards Blue-Owl. Blue Owl
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9:49am Tue 4 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Boring. Stated in his post that it was
my inept Tory Government that was the reason that there were 2new Schools in Bridgwater & 2 run down schools, Firstly, it was 13 years of Labour incumbent in Downing St, it was they that proposed the " Schools for the Future Program" very admirable.! But, there the Funding issues emerged, they at first proffered
New Schools for Blake @ Hamp, Sydenham, Haygrove. Then the crunch was found, no money....They had Squandered the Gold Reserves, the Treasury had little or no money left to spend on these projects, so a decision had to be made by County Cllrs, as to which of the Schools, were able to be processed first, taking into account all relevant details. that is why we have 2 Schools built, and hopefully when Financial ££££ become available the others will follow. This, was similar situation for the Hospitals delay, all well to propose, the money was not there when we the " Tories" were put back in Downing St, if you recall the scribbled note left for the incoming Chancellor , " Sorry there is No Money the cupboard BARE "
Ps. glad your still watching Cllr Smedley, at last we have your Attention.
Regards Blue - Owl
Boring. Stated in his post that it was my inept Tory Government that was the reason that there were 2new Schools in Bridgwater & 2 run down schools, Firstly, it was 13 years of Labour incumbent in Downing St, it was they that proposed the " Schools for the Future Program" very admirable.! But, there the Funding issues emerged, they at first proffered New Schools for Blake @ Hamp, Sydenham, Haygrove. Then the crunch was found, no money....They had Squandered the Gold Reserves, the Treasury had little or no money left to spend on these projects, so a decision had to be made by County Cllrs, as to which of the Schools, were able to be processed first, taking into account all relevant details. that is why we have 2 Schools built, and hopefully when Financial ££££ become available the others will follow. This, was similar situation for the Hospitals delay, all well to propose, the money was not there when we the " Tories" were put back in Downing St, if you recall the scribbled note left for the incoming Chancellor , " Sorry there is No Money the cupboard BARE " Ps. glad your still watching Cllr Smedley, at last we have your Attention. Regards Blue - Owl Blue Owl
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10:15am Tue 4 Dec 12

Alex@SDA says...

I fancy this is getting very personal, mainly from the Blue Corner.

I can beg to differ under many circumstances, but I always try to remain respectful.
I fancy this is getting very personal, mainly from the Blue Corner. I can beg to differ under many circumstances, but I always try to remain respectful. Alex@SDA
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10:51am Tue 4 Dec 12

Boring says...

Blue Ostrich! "Little or no money"? Enough for tax cuts for the rich, but not enough for children to have classrooms fit for the 21st century.
I rest my case.
But of course, " we're all in it together" aren't we .... Not.
Blue Ostrich! "Little or no money"? Enough for tax cuts for the rich, but not enough for children to have classrooms fit for the 21st century. I rest my case. But of course, " we're all in it together" aren't we .... Not. Boring
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11:24am Tue 4 Dec 12

cidreman says...

Cllr Smedley ...Not Saying or Doing but thats Labour for you ..
Will you resign if you lose the your fight to "Stop Tesco being built on Northgate "
Are all your Fellow Labour Cllrs so committed as you ...never see their names or comments in the Local Paper ..Cllr Lerry , Cllr Turner , Cllr Loveridge , Cllr Richards , Cllr Taylor etc etc ...are you sure The Labour Group are all against the Building of this New Tesco store .
It would be good to see all the Labour Cllrs Names in Print ...saying so !
Cllr Smedley ...Not Saying or Doing but thats Labour for you .. Will you resign if you lose the your fight to "Stop Tesco being built on Northgate " Are all your Fellow Labour Cllrs so committed as you ...never see their names or comments in the Local Paper ..Cllr Lerry , Cllr Turner , Cllr Loveridge , Cllr Richards , Cllr Taylor etc etc ...are you sure The Labour Group are all against the Building of this New Tesco store . It would be good to see all the Labour Cllrs Names in Print ...saying so ! cidreman
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1:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

I have learnt today that there is to be an Open Forum Debate ahead of the Tesco Application being heard by the SDC Planning Members. Date and Time, to be confirmed, Venue, poss Bridgwater Town Hall.,if numbers attending permit. We can be sure that Bridgwater (Backward) Forward will be there in Numbers, as you know they represent 63% of Town Residents , I think and know they DO NOT!!!!!
So, for those who Favour this Tesco Application to open Supermarket @ Northgate , Bridgwater. Please make your veiws known to Case Officer
Ref: Planning Application for Tesco Stores Plc. Sedgemoor District Council King Sq. Bridgwater TA6 3AR. E.mail
customerservices@sed
gemoor.gov.uk
It, is a case of speaking up for your beliefs, and being heard. The Members of the Planning Panel will be there to listen, but not enter into any discussion . That will be their role after this open forum in the Commitee SDC.
Regards Blue-Owl
I have learnt today that there is to be an Open Forum Debate ahead of the Tesco Application being heard by the SDC Planning Members. Date and Time, to be confirmed, Venue, poss Bridgwater Town Hall.,if numbers attending permit. We can be sure that Bridgwater (Backward) Forward will be there in Numbers, as you know they represent 63% of Town Residents , I think and know they DO NOT!!!!! So, for those who Favour this Tesco Application to open Supermarket @ Northgate , Bridgwater. Please make your veiws known to Case Officer Ref: Planning Application for Tesco Stores Plc. Sedgemoor District Council King Sq. Bridgwater TA6 3AR. E.mail customerservices@sed gemoor.gov.uk It, is a case of speaking up for your beliefs, and being heard. The Members of the Planning Panel will be there to listen, but not enter into any discussion . That will be their role after this open forum in the Commitee SDC. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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1:29pm Tue 4 Dec 12

No but seriously says...

Back to the points raised, in my opinion,
before any infrastructure is built, as part of that infrastructure, transport, must be included, as a priorty. As i see it BW has had substancial development in recent years & this continues but the Transport network has not kept of with the pace of this, albeit a token gesture with the ND road.

Good practice would be to get the road infrastructure right, then Develope other infrastructure. As anyone commuting in BW now nows what a nightmare it is. I do not need to say that this only going to get worse, but i will as other post have and you dont need high intelligance to work that one out.

A suggestion, why dont we build on all the flood plains in BW, then we can all live on Boats, as the water will need to go somewhere, Langport etc wont always take enough.
Back to the points raised, in my opinion, before any infrastructure is built, as part of that infrastructure, transport, must be included, as a priorty. As i see it BW has had substancial development in recent years & this continues but the Transport network has not kept of with the pace of this, albeit a token gesture with the ND road. Good practice would be to get the road infrastructure right, then Develope other infrastructure. As anyone commuting in BW now nows what a nightmare it is. I do not need to say that this only going to get worse, but i will as other post have and you dont need high intelligance to work that one out. A suggestion, why dont we build on all the flood plains in BW, then we can all live on Boats, as the water will need to go somewhere, Langport etc wont always take enough. No but seriously
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5:38pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

I've just read elsewhere that SCC paid £20k towards the planning application fee?? Beggars belief, honestly.
I've just read elsewhere that SCC paid £20k towards the planning application fee?? Beggars belief, honestly. Samej1
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8:50pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

No but seriously wrote:
Back to the points raised, in my opinion,
before any infrastructure is built, as part of that infrastructure, transport, must be included, as a priorty. As i see it BW has had substancial development in recent years & this continues but the Transport network has not kept of with the pace of this, albeit a token gesture with the ND road.

Good practice would be to get the road infrastructure right, then Develope other infrastructure. As anyone commuting in BW now nows what a nightmare it is. I do not need to say that this only going to get worse, but i will as other post have and you dont need high intelligance to work that one out.

A suggestion, why dont we build on all the flood plains in BW, then we can all live on Boats, as the water will need to go somewhere, Langport etc wont always take enough.
This was paid by SCC to enable the Planning process to start, as if you had read the article, there was a difference of understanding, regarding the parking / retail Sq Footage scale applied. This money to be repaid by Tesco's to SSC.
Regards Blue-Owl
Ps. This debate is remaining a good Topic, but at least I try and answer comments addressed to my Post's, where a Cllr who has entered the debate, answering on behalf of BF Group and himself, has'nt so far responded to many others addressed to him, questions He should, because he is Elected and should answer.
[quote][p][bold]No but seriously[/bold] wrote: Back to the points raised, in my opinion, before any infrastructure is built, as part of that infrastructure, transport, must be included, as a priorty. As i see it BW has had substancial development in recent years & this continues but the Transport network has not kept of with the pace of this, albeit a token gesture with the ND road. Good practice would be to get the road infrastructure right, then Develope other infrastructure. As anyone commuting in BW now nows what a nightmare it is. I do not need to say that this only going to get worse, but i will as other post have and you dont need high intelligance to work that one out. A suggestion, why dont we build on all the flood plains in BW, then we can all live on Boats, as the water will need to go somewhere, Langport etc wont always take enough.[/p][/quote]This was paid by SCC to enable the Planning process to start, as if you had read the article, there was a difference of understanding, regarding the parking / retail Sq Footage scale applied. This money to be repaid by Tesco's to SSC. Regards Blue-Owl Ps. This debate is remaining a good Topic, but at least I try and answer comments addressed to my Post's, where a Cllr who has entered the debate, answering on behalf of BF Group and himself, has'nt so far responded to many others addressed to him, questions He should, because he is Elected and should answer. Blue Owl
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8:13am Wed 5 Dec 12

Samej1 says...

Tesco 6 month profits: £1.6bn
SCC - public funds

Do I need to say more? Indefensible.
Tesco 6 month profits: £1.6bn SCC - public funds Do I need to say more? Indefensible. Samej1
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11:01am Wed 5 Dec 12

cidreman says...

What a Shame this as closed ..Cllr Smedley failed to answer my questions ..as a elected Cllr he should no better !
But I guess he needs to ask the Forward group before doing so ..
What a Shame this as closed ..Cllr Smedley failed to answer my questions ..as a elected Cllr he should no better ! But I guess he needs to ask the Forward group before doing so .. cidreman
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11:31am Wed 5 Dec 12

Cllr Brian Smedley says...

Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably.
Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably. Cllr Brian Smedley
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1:22pm Wed 5 Dec 12

sheldoncooper says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably.
So it's not OK for Blue Owl to "tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact..." but it's OK for you to tell anyone that wants to listen that "The people of Bridgwater" do not want a Tesco. Talk about pot / kettle !
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably.[/p][/quote]So it's not OK for Blue Owl to "tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact..." but it's OK for you to tell anyone that wants to listen that "The people of Bridgwater" do not want a Tesco. Talk about pot / kettle ! sheldoncooper
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9:53am Thu 6 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space.
Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for.
In direct response to you Cllt Smedley, you ask " What gives me the right to be so Judgemental about Bridgwater Forward Movement"' I will tell you why, me and my Tory mates as you put it in your words " Closed their Swimming Pool" Cllr, who pool is and was it, certainly not Bridgwater Forwards, it was Bridgwater Residents pool, for the use of all. Not BF, Run and Funded by SDC, I did'nt see an Offer from you or your Group to fund the Pool, or from the BTC Natwest Bank Acc, or any positive fund raising support from your supporters, just Negativity !! Nothing New there.......Ownershi
p of most things, come with ongoing cost,!! You and your group, say you represent the Majority Veiw and take the Moral Highground, Well Councillor, U DO NOT !!!!!!!
regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: MBR - there's stores locally open already at the hours you're on about and theres other Tescos closer than cribbs causeway. If a 24 hour superstore is needed in bridgwater it should be in a part of the district that wants it and can cope with it's hours and traffic movements and doesn't harm the town centre or take up green space. Blue owl - what on earth gives you the right to be so judgemental about bridgwater forward? They've stuck to their guns for 3 years when you and your tory mates voted to shut down their swimming pool in order to build this tescos on it. You lost the election because of that and you personally were beaten by Councillor Tucker-a member of bridgwater forward and an opponent of tescos. I think these people have more finger on the pulse than you give them (or anybody) credit for.[/p][/quote]In direct response to you Cllt Smedley, you ask " What gives me the right to be so Judgemental about Bridgwater Forward Movement"' I will tell you why, me and my Tory mates as you put it in your words " Closed their Swimming Pool" Cllr, who pool is and was it, certainly not Bridgwater Forwards, it was Bridgwater Residents pool, for the use of all. Not BF, Run and Funded by SDC, I did'nt see an Offer from you or your Group to fund the Pool, or from the BTC Natwest Bank Acc, or any positive fund raising support from your supporters, just Negativity !! Nothing New there.......Ownershi p of most things, come with ongoing cost,!! You and your group, say you represent the Majority Veiw and take the Moral Highground, Well Councillor, U DO NOT !!!!!!! regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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10:13am Thu 6 Dec 12

Blue Owl says...

Cllr Brian Smedley wrote:
Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably.
Cllr Smedley, been a bit busy have you!!!!! Break a SCC Fee' Scandal .
WOW SHOCK HORROR !!!.I thought for a minute that they had found out why SOUTH WEST ONE @ SCC had lost the predicted savings they said they would. millions £££££££££ now that would have been a story!! Cllr it's ok the Mercury have carried your No to Tesco Headlines Front Page, or would have been apart from the Floods, but its been prominent enough in every newsagent Bill Board, to get your views out there. So now you want another Front Page Headline, from the only local paper left printing BRIDGWATERs News and Events.
Don't you and your Lab Collegues have the Editors ear any more, they always did in the past, perhaps the latest Editor is Less Bias.
Regards Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brian Smedley[/bold] wrote: Cllr Smedley's been a bit busy these last few days breaking the Tesco fees scandal story-which you all may note the Mercury hasn't carried... but will answer any question in a sensible environment. Trouble with this place is cidreman asks the same obsessive question 20 times, blue owl answers his own question 100 times and tells us what he thinks everyone else is thinking as if its fact....theres enough of me on various web sites and blogs to find my opinions anyway probably.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smedley, been a bit busy have you!!!!! Break a SCC Fee' Scandal . WOW SHOCK HORROR !!!.I thought for a minute that they had found out why SOUTH WEST ONE @ SCC had lost the predicted savings they said they would. millions £££££££££ now that would have been a story!! Cllr it's ok the Mercury have carried your No to Tesco Headlines Front Page, or would have been apart from the Floods, but its been prominent enough in every newsagent Bill Board, to get your views out there. So now you want another Front Page Headline, from the only local paper left printing BRIDGWATERs News and Events. Don't you and your Lab Collegues have the Editors ear any more, they always did in the past, perhaps the latest Editor is Less Bias. Regards Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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